1 00:00:03,050 --> 00:00:01,969 welcome back everybody we wanted to do 2 00:00:04,850 --> 00:00:03,060 something a little bit different today 3 00:00:07,249 --> 00:00:04,860 being close to the holidays and the new 4 00:00:09,950 --> 00:00:07,259 year uh so Jason and I have assembled a 5 00:00:11,990 --> 00:00:09,960 panel of some of our closest friends uh 6 00:00:14,749 --> 00:00:12,000 these are people that also have shows on 7 00:00:16,910 --> 00:00:14,759 UAP and paranormal topics uh we want to 8 00:00:19,490 --> 00:00:16,920 give everybody sort of that Compass of 9 00:00:21,349 --> 00:00:19,500 who we think is providing good credible 10 00:00:23,269 --> 00:00:21,359 information there's a lot of it out 11 00:00:26,509 --> 00:00:23,279 there and it's hard to Wade through 12 00:00:28,609 --> 00:00:26,519 what's what and uh Jason I mean 2022 13 00:00:31,550 --> 00:00:28,619 it's been a hell of a year it's been a 14 00:00:33,889 --> 00:00:31,560 crazy year but so much growth uh for the 15 00:00:35,810 --> 00:00:33,899 podcast and the community is as large 16 00:00:38,450 --> 00:00:35,820 and we got some of the best listeners 17 00:00:40,970 --> 00:00:38,460 and fans of the show out there for sure 18 00:00:44,209 --> 00:00:40,980 we also want to mention because this is 19 00:00:45,889 --> 00:00:44,219 uh the uh end of the year uh we say a 20 00:00:48,170 --> 00:00:45,899 big thank you to you guys because we've 21 00:00:51,709 --> 00:00:48,180 actually ranked in the five percent of 22 00:00:53,690 --> 00:00:51,719 top podcasts on Spotify so you know 23 00:00:55,490 --> 00:00:53,700 Louie and I really appreciate that guys 24 00:00:56,930 --> 00:00:55,500 you guys are rocking it thank you for 25 00:00:58,490 --> 00:00:56,940 the reviews 26 00:01:00,110 --> 00:00:58,500 um and then we also want to mention you 27 00:01:01,910 --> 00:01:00,120 know the YouTube channel it's it's out 28 00:01:04,009 --> 00:01:01,920 there please you know watch the YouTube 29 00:01:05,509 --> 00:01:04,019 channels as much as possible and make 30 00:01:08,330 --> 00:01:05,519 that grow as well we would really 31 00:01:10,850 --> 00:01:08,340 appreciate it but uh yeah man 2022 has 32 00:01:12,950 --> 00:01:10,860 been a crazy year like major growth 33 00:01:14,330 --> 00:01:12,960 major growth yeah and it's not just our 34 00:01:16,429 --> 00:01:14,340 show a lot of other shows we're seeing 35 00:01:18,590 --> 00:01:16,439 that success uh you mentioned we 36 00:01:20,510 --> 00:01:18,600 genuinely believe we have the best fans 37 00:01:23,149 --> 00:01:20,520 out there you guys are polite you're 38 00:01:26,030 --> 00:01:23,159 intelligent you give us criticism when 39 00:01:28,190 --> 00:01:26,040 needed and you give us praise and uh you 40 00:01:29,210 --> 00:01:28,200 are the reason why we do this show so 41 00:01:31,190 --> 00:01:29,220 we're going to introduce you to our 42 00:01:33,830 --> 00:01:31,200 little circle today and uh we're gonna 43 00:01:35,450 --> 00:01:33,840 chat about uaps and UFOs and everything 44 00:01:37,370 --> 00:01:35,460 paranormal and that's our favorite thing 45 00:01:40,370 --> 00:01:37,380 to do on a Sunday so we'll be right back 46 00:01:46,270 --> 00:01:40,380 with our year-end panel 47 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:53,250 [Music] 48 00:02:05,450 --> 00:02:03,469 [Applause] 49 00:02:07,370 --> 00:02:05,460 welcome back to another episode of UAP 50 00:02:09,410 --> 00:02:07,380 studies podcast I am Louis Borges 51 00:02:12,170 --> 00:02:09,420 joining me as always my good friend and 52 00:02:14,089 --> 00:02:12,180 illustrious co-host Jason gilmette how's 53 00:02:16,190 --> 00:02:14,099 it going Louie it's going well it's 54 00:02:18,350 --> 00:02:16,200 exciting day it is the holiday season is 55 00:02:20,270 --> 00:02:18,360 upon us we wanted to assemble our 56 00:02:23,270 --> 00:02:20,280 closest friends in the UFO UAP 57 00:02:25,550 --> 00:02:23,280 paranormal field and what better way to 58 00:02:27,170 --> 00:02:25,560 cap off 2022 it's been a hell of a year 59 00:02:29,930 --> 00:02:27,180 we want to talk about what was making 60 00:02:31,550 --> 00:02:29,940 news and what we learned and get to know 61 00:02:33,890 --> 00:02:31,560 everybody a little bit better as well so 62 00:02:36,110 --> 00:02:33,900 with that I'll introduce our our amazing 63 00:02:38,570 --> 00:02:36,120 panel here starting in my bottom left 64 00:02:41,089 --> 00:02:38,580 here we have Dave Scott from space dot 65 00:02:43,550 --> 00:02:41,099 radio beside him we have Jess rogie from 66 00:02:45,530 --> 00:02:43,560 the Jess rogge show and a new and up and 67 00:02:47,630 --> 00:02:45,540 coming podcaster Marquis Williams from 68 00:02:49,190 --> 00:02:47,640 dimensions of reality welcome everybody 69 00:02:52,190 --> 00:02:49,200 to the show 70 00:02:53,330 --> 00:02:52,200 oh thank you thank you so much so we'll 71 00:02:55,250 --> 00:02:53,340 go around the horn tell us a little bit 72 00:02:56,869 --> 00:02:55,260 about yourself and about your show uh 73 00:02:58,790 --> 00:02:56,879 why you do this what you love about it 74 00:03:00,530 --> 00:02:58,800 and where people can find you so we'll 75 00:03:02,809 --> 00:03:00,540 start with Mr Dave Scott 76 00:03:05,330 --> 00:03:02,819 well uh we just celebrated our eighth 77 00:03:07,970 --> 00:03:05,340 year anniversary last month in doing 78 00:03:10,369 --> 00:03:07,980 spaced out radio and it's been a lot of 79 00:03:14,089 --> 00:03:10,379 fun over the years as an experiencer 80 00:03:16,070 --> 00:03:14,099 myself it's been uh it's been quite a a 81 00:03:18,290 --> 00:03:16,080 roller coaster ride and learning 82 00:03:20,330 --> 00:03:18,300 everything about UFOs and the 83 00:03:22,490 --> 00:03:20,340 experiences other people are having plus 84 00:03:24,649 --> 00:03:22,500 all the news of the day you know we 85 00:03:26,089 --> 00:03:24,659 broadcast seven days a week I'm on air 86 00:03:27,910 --> 00:03:26,099 Monday through Friday and then I got a 87 00:03:30,229 --> 00:03:27,920 weekend crew can all be found at 88 00:03:33,170 --> 00:03:30,239 spacedoutradio.com or our YouTube 89 00:03:35,089 --> 00:03:33,180 channel spaced out radio and we're all 90 00:03:38,030 --> 00:03:35,099 over the place and we're we're all about 91 00:03:40,369 --> 00:03:38,040 bringing nighttime radio back to where 92 00:03:42,890 --> 00:03:40,379 it used to be uh you know when Art Bell 93 00:03:45,110 --> 00:03:42,900 was still broadcasting spookiness at 94 00:03:47,570 --> 00:03:45,120 night and that's really our focus and 95 00:03:50,690 --> 00:03:47,580 our Mantra of everything that we do on 96 00:03:52,610 --> 00:03:50,700 spaced out radio and you know we we're 97 00:03:55,550 --> 00:03:52,620 on seven terrestrial radio stations 98 00:03:57,229 --> 00:03:55,560 across North America and it's a little 99 00:03:59,149 --> 00:03:57,239 bit different than what people will 100 00:04:01,610 --> 00:03:59,159 normally hear in a regular podcast such 101 00:04:03,350 --> 00:04:01,620 as a great one like this one but you 102 00:04:06,170 --> 00:04:03,360 know what we have a lot of fun doing it 103 00:04:08,089 --> 00:04:06,180 uh I am somebody who's a rarity I'm I'm 104 00:04:10,490 --> 00:04:08,099 one of the only journalists slash 105 00:04:12,589 --> 00:04:10,500 experiencers who's come out publicly 106 00:04:15,350 --> 00:04:12,599 about everything over the last eight 107 00:04:18,409 --> 00:04:15,360 years and we just kind of roll with it 108 00:04:20,569 --> 00:04:18,419 and see where the news takes us yeah I 109 00:04:23,749 --> 00:04:20,579 love it it has a very sports radio feel 110 00:04:25,850 --> 00:04:23,759 cool music nice intro horns up you got 111 00:04:27,409 --> 00:04:25,860 your following it's uh it's a very cool 112 00:04:29,510 --> 00:04:27,419 show we're a fan we've been guests on 113 00:04:31,370 --> 00:04:29,520 your show and uh you've been you know 114 00:04:33,350 --> 00:04:31,380 gracious enough to invite us and we 115 00:04:35,629 --> 00:04:33,360 wanted to return the favor so great to 116 00:04:38,090 --> 00:04:35,639 have you here today Dave Jess rogie our 117 00:04:39,830 --> 00:04:38,100 buddy welcome to the show hi thanks so 118 00:04:41,930 --> 00:04:39,840 much for having me so my name is Jess 119 00:04:44,870 --> 00:04:41,940 roge I'm the host of the Jess rogie show 120 00:04:46,610 --> 00:04:44,880 I've had Louie and Jason on several 121 00:04:48,350 --> 00:04:46,620 times I've actually known Jason for 122 00:04:50,749 --> 00:04:48,360 several years 123 00:04:52,670 --> 00:04:50,759 um I'm so excited to be here today but 124 00:04:55,370 --> 00:04:52,680 uh I if you guys don't know me I've been 125 00:04:57,110 --> 00:04:55,380 doing this for five years most recently 126 00:04:59,870 --> 00:04:57,120 I've come on five nights a week on The 127 00:05:00,890 --> 00:04:59,880 Fringe FM I attended broadcast I 128 00:05:03,830 --> 00:05:00,900 attended Chapman universe University 129 00:05:06,230 --> 00:05:03,840 where I studied broadcast journalism and 130 00:05:08,629 --> 00:05:06,240 Film Production and I've taken those and 131 00:05:10,370 --> 00:05:08,639 kind of melded that into my show but my 132 00:05:12,350 --> 00:05:10,380 talk what I like to cover is fringe 133 00:05:14,629 --> 00:05:12,360 topics basically anything that's not 134 00:05:17,090 --> 00:05:14,639 mainstream I grew up very alternative so 135 00:05:18,710 --> 00:05:17,100 that's what I like to cover when I 136 00:05:21,469 --> 00:05:18,720 started out it was very heavy UAP 137 00:05:23,810 --> 00:05:21,479 focused but I've expanded more recently 138 00:05:25,810 --> 00:05:23,820 into more of the unknown and the hidden 139 00:05:27,950 --> 00:05:25,820 yeah 140 00:05:30,830 --> 00:05:27,960 oh thank you and you can find me five 141 00:05:33,650 --> 00:05:30,840 nights a week on fringe.fm at 11 PM 142 00:05:34,790 --> 00:05:33,660 Pacific 2 A.M Eastern thank you awesome 143 00:05:36,529 --> 00:05:34,800 and we look forward to being on your 144 00:05:39,830 --> 00:05:36,539 show again this year for some more cool 145 00:05:41,749 --> 00:05:39,840 episodes and that brings us to uh a fan 146 00:05:43,430 --> 00:05:41,759 of ours who had a lot of talent and 147 00:05:44,870 --> 00:05:43,440 reached out and we thought you know what 148 00:05:46,969 --> 00:05:44,880 we want to have you on our show because 149 00:05:48,770 --> 00:05:46,979 you think right and we like your 150 00:05:50,930 --> 00:05:48,780 perspective on things as somebody who 151 00:05:54,050 --> 00:05:50,940 maybe doesn't have five ten years worth 152 00:05:56,689 --> 00:05:54,060 of that clutter you're a new bright soul 153 00:05:57,710 --> 00:05:56,699 and Marquis Williams from dimensions of 154 00:05:58,730 --> 00:05:57,720 reality tell us a little bit about 155 00:06:00,770 --> 00:05:58,740 yourself 156 00:06:03,469 --> 00:06:00,780 hello everybody it is a great pleasure 157 00:06:05,689 --> 00:06:03,479 to be back on the podcast again so um my 158 00:06:07,670 --> 00:06:05,699 name is Marquis uh my my brand is 159 00:06:09,710 --> 00:06:07,680 dimensions of reality um you can find me 160 00:06:11,510 --> 00:06:09,720 on Facebook mostly I post a lot of 161 00:06:14,450 --> 00:06:11,520 content on Facebook that I really put a 162 00:06:16,070 --> 00:06:14,460 lot of energy and time into but also my 163 00:06:18,950 --> 00:06:16,080 podcast which is dimensions of reality 164 00:06:21,350 --> 00:06:18,960 on Spotify Apple music and anchor as 165 00:06:22,790 --> 00:06:21,360 well maker.fm so you can find me at any 166 00:06:25,550 --> 00:06:22,800 of those three channels 167 00:06:27,529 --> 00:06:25,560 um for my content I focus mostly on the 168 00:06:29,749 --> 00:06:27,539 dramatization um so I like to present 169 00:06:31,309 --> 00:06:29,759 things I'm a voice actor by trade so I 170 00:06:33,050 --> 00:06:31,319 put a lot of things together to kind of 171 00:06:34,370 --> 00:06:33,060 bring a dramatized version of a lot of 172 00:06:36,050 --> 00:06:34,380 the content a lot of the information 173 00:06:39,170 --> 00:06:36,060 from the uip field 174 00:06:40,790 --> 00:06:39,180 um but yes I also have expanded recently 175 00:06:42,650 --> 00:06:40,800 um what I the scope of my content 176 00:06:44,749 --> 00:06:42,660 because I want uh because I realized 177 00:06:46,850 --> 00:06:44,759 that there's a lot more to the phenomena 178 00:06:48,590 --> 00:06:46,860 than just flying discs in the sky I mean 179 00:06:50,210 --> 00:06:48,600 we're talking about beings that are they 180 00:06:52,309 --> 00:06:50,220 may not be from this Dimension they may 181 00:06:54,529 --> 00:06:52,319 not be from our time frame uh they may 182 00:06:57,050 --> 00:06:54,539 be from the future so I think it's it's 183 00:06:59,150 --> 00:06:57,060 about time for us to really expand our 184 00:07:01,309 --> 00:06:59,160 view about this phenomenon other than 185 00:07:05,270 --> 00:07:01,319 just the military you know a perspective 186 00:07:07,430 --> 00:07:05,280 or the the crafts in the sky so um yeah 187 00:07:09,890 --> 00:07:07,440 awesome great to have you so let's talk 188 00:07:11,930 --> 00:07:09,900 about some memorable guests uh you know 189 00:07:14,150 --> 00:07:11,940 from 2022 it's hard to think back all 190 00:07:15,830 --> 00:07:14,160 the way to January I know Jason if we 191 00:07:17,330 --> 00:07:15,840 think from January until now the people 192 00:07:19,550 --> 00:07:17,340 we spoke to we wouldn't have thought 193 00:07:20,689 --> 00:07:19,560 that that was going to happen right so I 194 00:07:23,029 --> 00:07:20,699 mean what are you what are your thoughts 195 00:07:26,290 --> 00:07:23,039 on uh on the kind of year we've had 196 00:07:28,430 --> 00:07:26,300 that's me yeah yeah well I think it's 197 00:07:31,610 --> 00:07:28,440 I've been blown away that most people 198 00:07:33,409 --> 00:07:31,620 have replied to us at least uh you know 199 00:07:35,450 --> 00:07:33,419 some people haven't and that's just the 200 00:07:37,189 --> 00:07:35,460 nature of the game right like some 201 00:07:38,089 --> 00:07:37,199 people don't know about 202 00:07:40,070 --> 00:07:38,099 um you know or they're just not 203 00:07:42,230 --> 00:07:40,080 comfortable being on podcast but I I 204 00:07:44,990 --> 00:07:42,240 personally this year we've uh you know 205 00:07:46,610 --> 00:07:45,000 Jim semivan was pretty awesome uh you 206 00:07:50,930 --> 00:07:46,620 know hearing a bit about his experience 207 00:07:52,189 --> 00:07:50,940 although he didn't lead too much into it 208 00:07:54,290 --> 00:07:52,199 um the other one was Michael Paul 209 00:07:56,990 --> 00:07:54,300 Masters as well like I really enjoyed 210 00:07:58,610 --> 00:07:57,000 his like he's he's brilliant and he's 211 00:08:01,450 --> 00:07:58,620 funny he's got a sense of humor as well 212 00:08:04,189 --> 00:08:01,460 right but his theory on uh the 213 00:08:06,230 --> 00:08:04,199 extrateral model meaning it could be us 214 00:08:08,689 --> 00:08:06,240 from the future coming back to basically 215 00:08:11,330 --> 00:08:08,699 look on what's going on 216 00:08:14,029 --> 00:08:11,340 um I I enjoyed that and of course the 217 00:08:17,390 --> 00:08:14,039 100th episode Jacques Valley was an 218 00:08:20,089 --> 00:08:17,400 amazing uh for the 100th episode uh I 219 00:08:21,350 --> 00:08:20,099 got really emotional at the end uh is 220 00:08:23,689 --> 00:08:21,360 this hit me right in a hard button 221 00:08:25,909 --> 00:08:23,699 because we did a toast right we wanted 222 00:08:28,369 --> 00:08:25,919 to raise a glass of champagne to our our 223 00:08:30,050 --> 00:08:28,379 guests and our viewers and uh so we were 224 00:08:31,969 --> 00:08:30,060 basically toasting that we made a 225 00:08:33,649 --> 00:08:31,979 hundred and Jacques Valley grabbed his 226 00:08:36,050 --> 00:08:33,659 cop and he joined raiding the toast with 227 00:08:37,610 --> 00:08:36,060 us and uh that's a special thing I mean 228 00:08:39,469 --> 00:08:37,620 we had his respect and after the show 229 00:08:41,690 --> 00:08:39,479 was done we chatted another 25 minutes 230 00:08:43,310 --> 00:08:41,700 yeah we should have kept her rolling but 231 00:08:45,170 --> 00:08:43,320 for someone to be that gracious with 232 00:08:48,290 --> 00:08:45,180 their time and even other people like 233 00:08:50,750 --> 00:08:48,300 Leslie Kane Ross coltar James Fox 234 00:08:52,370 --> 00:08:50,760 um yeah I think nine out of that last 10 235 00:08:53,990 --> 00:08:52,380 people I personally have reached out to 236 00:08:55,490 --> 00:08:54,000 have all said yes and a lot of them are 237 00:08:58,550 --> 00:08:55,500 still booked coming up in January and 238 00:09:00,470 --> 00:08:58,560 February so it went from one out of ten 239 00:09:03,170 --> 00:09:00,480 to nine out of ten that's pretty good 240 00:09:05,030 --> 00:09:03,180 and some people just won't do shows or 241 00:09:06,650 --> 00:09:05,040 if you get to a certain enough size I'm 242 00:09:08,570 --> 00:09:06,660 sure you guys of all and girls have 243 00:09:10,009 --> 00:09:08,580 experienced this some people you're like 244 00:09:11,570 --> 00:09:10,019 now at their level and they don't 245 00:09:13,009 --> 00:09:11,580 necessarily want to go on your show 246 00:09:15,889 --> 00:09:13,019 because they see it was competition 247 00:09:17,389 --> 00:09:15,899 whatever the reason for it but uh in 248 00:09:19,009 --> 00:09:17,399 terms of memorable guests Dave you've 249 00:09:21,650 --> 00:09:19,019 had a lot you do this five nights a week 250 00:09:23,389 --> 00:09:21,660 who pops out as being somebody 251 00:09:26,269 --> 00:09:23,399 worth remembering 252 00:09:27,350 --> 00:09:26,279 I always like interviewing uh the 253 00:09:30,530 --> 00:09:27,360 smaller people 254 00:09:33,470 --> 00:09:30,540 I really do because you know the people 255 00:09:34,970 --> 00:09:33,480 who may not have the biggest voice you 256 00:09:36,829 --> 00:09:34,980 know that are out there but their 257 00:09:39,410 --> 00:09:36,839 experiences and their knowledge about 258 00:09:44,030 --> 00:09:39,420 what's happened to them it provides for 259 00:09:46,550 --> 00:09:44,040 a real you know spooky story that you 260 00:09:49,009 --> 00:09:46,560 really really want to hit home and 261 00:09:50,930 --> 00:09:49,019 impact your audience but that being said 262 00:09:53,030 --> 00:09:50,940 you know looking back this year we've 263 00:09:55,610 --> 00:09:53,040 you know Michael Paul Masters you 264 00:09:57,050 --> 00:09:55,620 mentioned him I mean you know there's a 265 00:09:59,509 --> 00:09:57,060 guy who's filled with knowledge and 266 00:10:01,970 --> 00:09:59,519 humor right off the bat you know we had 267 00:10:05,090 --> 00:10:01,980 some very memorable shows with Science 268 00:10:06,530 --> 00:10:05,100 Bob Dr Bob McGuire uh this year where 269 00:10:09,790 --> 00:10:06,540 you know we interviewed everybody from 270 00:10:12,470 --> 00:10:09,800 Simeon Hein to a number of other 271 00:10:15,230 --> 00:10:12,480 scientific doctors out there looking at 272 00:10:17,930 --> 00:10:15,240 the phenomena as as it goes Luis 273 00:10:20,449 --> 00:10:17,940 Elizondo of course appeared twice this 274 00:10:23,990 --> 00:10:20,459 year on the show and you know the one 275 00:10:25,610 --> 00:10:24,000 thing I always say about Luis uh is is 276 00:10:27,829 --> 00:10:25,620 this 277 00:10:29,690 --> 00:10:27,839 a lot of people will say he never says 278 00:10:33,350 --> 00:10:29,700 anything in an interview 279 00:10:34,550 --> 00:10:33,360 but I find that he gives a lot yeah and 280 00:10:36,650 --> 00:10:34,560 it doesn't matter whether it's us 281 00:10:39,590 --> 00:10:36,660 interviewing him or someone else 282 00:10:42,470 --> 00:10:39,600 interviewing him the Easter eggs that he 283 00:10:44,509 --> 00:10:42,480 lays as a foundation you know the one 284 00:10:46,670 --> 00:10:44,519 thing I learned in journalism School a 285 00:10:49,250 --> 00:10:46,680 long time ago is learn to read between 286 00:10:51,710 --> 00:10:49,260 the lines of what somebody is saying and 287 00:10:54,949 --> 00:10:51,720 we don't do that in this field and with 288 00:10:58,730 --> 00:10:54,959 somebody like Elizondo I literally pick 289 00:10:59,930 --> 00:10:58,740 up a ton of news and Direction uh we 290 00:11:02,090 --> 00:10:59,940 interviewed we were the first one 291 00:11:05,389 --> 00:11:02,100 probably my biggest interview this year 292 00:11:07,670 --> 00:11:05,399 was back on July 2nd where we 293 00:11:09,949 --> 00:11:07,680 interviewed Member of Parliament Larry 294 00:11:12,350 --> 00:11:09,959 McGuire up in Canada who was really 295 00:11:15,490 --> 00:11:12,360 trying to push to get this story going 296 00:11:17,990 --> 00:11:15,500 we were his first long form interview 297 00:11:21,410 --> 00:11:18,000 regarding the unidentified aerial 298 00:11:23,810 --> 00:11:21,420 phenomena in Canadian airspace and you 299 00:11:27,410 --> 00:11:23,820 know the way he has gone at this subject 300 00:11:29,630 --> 00:11:27,420 and still goes at this subject behind 301 00:11:32,870 --> 00:11:29,640 the scenes in the Canadian Parliament in 302 00:11:35,150 --> 00:11:32,880 is phenomenal and to this day I think 303 00:11:38,030 --> 00:11:35,160 that with what's going on now and what's 304 00:11:40,850 --> 00:11:38,040 happening up up north here I really do 305 00:11:44,449 --> 00:11:40,860 believe that Canada is going to take a 306 00:11:47,090 --> 00:11:44,459 real uh step towards the Forefront the 307 00:11:49,790 --> 00:11:47,100 way we were in the 50s and 60s with 308 00:11:51,590 --> 00:11:49,800 project Grudge in uh or not project 309 00:11:53,269 --> 00:11:51,600 Grudge I forget the project pardon me 310 00:11:56,449 --> 00:11:53,279 but I think we're going to take a big 311 00:11:58,550 --> 00:11:56,459 step in towards moving uh the UFO uh 312 00:12:00,590 --> 00:11:58,560 football down the field 313 00:12:03,290 --> 00:12:00,600 I think it was Project sign in the 50s 314 00:12:05,810 --> 00:12:03,300 and 60s sign or yeah I believe there's a 315 00:12:08,090 --> 00:12:05,820 few yeah awesome and Jess uh you 316 00:12:10,670 --> 00:12:08,100 specialize in those intimate personal 317 00:12:13,670 --> 00:12:10,680 stories of people that have had crazy 318 00:12:16,310 --> 00:12:13,680 things happen and I'm Blown Away by how 319 00:12:18,050 --> 00:12:16,320 light your show is but how deep some of 320 00:12:20,389 --> 00:12:18,060 the stuff these people tell you and that 321 00:12:22,250 --> 00:12:20,399 trust it's actually really yeah it's so 322 00:12:23,810 --> 00:12:22,260 dark though it gets so dark sometimes 323 00:12:25,430 --> 00:12:23,820 really and I think that's part of the 324 00:12:28,130 --> 00:12:25,440 the trick is to kind of keep it light 325 00:12:30,170 --> 00:12:28,140 right but I I think this year what I did 326 00:12:32,150 --> 00:12:30,180 a lot of was I talked to a lot of 327 00:12:33,530 --> 00:12:32,160 experiencers a lot of listeners because 328 00:12:35,150 --> 00:12:33,540 I know a lot of the listeners are 329 00:12:37,130 --> 00:12:35,160 attracted to these shows because they 330 00:12:38,810 --> 00:12:37,140 have experiences you know I've 331 00:12:40,490 --> 00:12:38,820 interviewed a lot of people so I you 332 00:12:42,889 --> 00:12:40,500 know I I like Dave I just kind of like 333 00:12:44,629 --> 00:12:42,899 these smaller people sometimes because 334 00:12:46,250 --> 00:12:44,639 you interview the big people they kind 335 00:12:48,470 --> 00:12:46,260 of have these canned responses sometimes 336 00:12:50,210 --> 00:12:48,480 are going to say the same thing and you 337 00:12:51,590 --> 00:12:50,220 kind of get bored and I want to hear 338 00:12:53,990 --> 00:12:51,600 something new I want to hear something 339 00:12:55,790 --> 00:12:54,000 fresh I want to give my audience 340 00:12:58,009 --> 00:12:55,800 something they haven't heard and it's 341 00:13:01,250 --> 00:12:58,019 hard it's difficult and that's what I 342 00:13:03,110 --> 00:13:01,260 love you know know I think because I 343 00:13:06,410 --> 00:13:03,120 looked at nuts and bolts for so F and 344 00:13:08,389 --> 00:13:06,420 long right for a long time and I said 345 00:13:10,610 --> 00:13:08,399 where else is there to look let's talk 346 00:13:13,310 --> 00:13:10,620 to the people let's get that let's hear 347 00:13:15,050 --> 00:13:13,320 what they're experiencing because that's 348 00:13:16,930 --> 00:13:15,060 what's getting ignored in these 349 00:13:19,490 --> 00:13:16,940 government reports is you know it's 350 00:13:20,930 --> 00:13:19,500 disclosure I feel like you know does it 351 00:13:22,910 --> 00:13:20,940 come from the government or does it 352 00:13:24,350 --> 00:13:22,920 really come from the people and that's 353 00:13:27,170 --> 00:13:24,360 something I've kind of been playing with 354 00:13:29,629 --> 00:13:27,180 this year yeah well said well said and 355 00:13:31,850 --> 00:13:29,639 as an experiencer our friend uh Marquis 356 00:13:33,590 --> 00:13:31,860 Williams dimensions of reality 357 00:13:36,470 --> 00:13:33,600 um you got your might on mute or your 358 00:13:38,509 --> 00:13:36,480 mute on Mike there we go now you're good 359 00:13:40,790 --> 00:13:38,519 to go so yeah I mean this year was 360 00:13:42,889 --> 00:13:40,800 probably more of a a heavy research year 361 00:13:44,750 --> 00:13:42,899 for you too deciding that hey I'm really 362 00:13:46,730 --> 00:13:44,760 into this field and I want to jump in 363 00:13:48,410 --> 00:13:46,740 and I want to start producing content 364 00:13:50,690 --> 00:13:48,420 amongst the thousands of other people 365 00:13:53,030 --> 00:13:50,700 that do it what made you want to swim 366 00:13:55,009 --> 00:13:53,040 upstream like that and uh what's Driven 367 00:13:56,569 --> 00:13:55,019 you to want to do this well before I 368 00:13:58,910 --> 00:13:56,579 forget I want I want to kind of dovetail 369 00:14:00,650 --> 00:13:58,920 off what Dave and Jess said because both 370 00:14:02,090 --> 00:14:00,660 them said something that I that as a new 371 00:14:04,370 --> 00:14:02,100 person that's been looking into this 372 00:14:06,050 --> 00:14:04,380 that it's like pivotal 373 00:14:07,550 --> 00:14:06,060 um Dave you mentioned that if you you 374 00:14:09,829 --> 00:14:07,560 know the quote about reading in between 375 00:14:12,889 --> 00:14:09,839 the lines something that I have learned 376 00:14:14,629 --> 00:14:12,899 and especially with louisando is that I 377 00:14:16,370 --> 00:14:14,639 heard a quote once that said that if you 378 00:14:17,750 --> 00:14:16,380 want to learn if you want to be 379 00:14:19,190 --> 00:14:17,760 entertained by something you want to 380 00:14:20,870 --> 00:14:19,200 watch something and be entertained watch 381 00:14:23,030 --> 00:14:20,880 it listen to the watch the videos listen 382 00:14:24,769 --> 00:14:23,040 to the interviews so on and so forth but 383 00:14:26,629 --> 00:14:24,779 if you want to learn something read in 384 00:14:28,430 --> 00:14:26,639 between the lines because there's a lot 385 00:14:30,470 --> 00:14:28,440 of there's a lot of meat in between what 386 00:14:32,810 --> 00:14:30,480 some people see some people don't say or 387 00:14:34,670 --> 00:14:32,820 what they suggest but they're like I'll 388 00:14:35,930 --> 00:14:34,680 let you decide what to think about that 389 00:14:38,030 --> 00:14:35,940 and they're pretty they're pretty 390 00:14:40,430 --> 00:14:38,040 suggestive it's almost blatant sometimes 391 00:14:42,470 --> 00:14:40,440 well Louisville has said about crash 392 00:14:44,030 --> 00:14:42,480 retrievals for example or about there 393 00:14:45,829 --> 00:14:44,040 being their existing non-human 394 00:14:47,569 --> 00:14:45,839 intelligences it's almost blatant it's 395 00:14:50,810 --> 00:14:47,579 just he doesn't if he doesn't you know 396 00:14:52,430 --> 00:14:50,820 definitively say this is the truth 397 00:14:54,110 --> 00:14:52,440 um and and Jess you know you mentioned 398 00:14:56,090 --> 00:14:54,120 about how these these things can get 399 00:14:58,550 --> 00:14:56,100 really dark 400 00:15:00,410 --> 00:14:58,560 um I have realized that as well and I've 401 00:15:02,449 --> 00:15:00,420 actually encountered when I when I 402 00:15:04,430 --> 00:15:02,459 engage with my listeners 403 00:15:06,050 --> 00:15:04,440 um especially out in the wild they tend 404 00:15:07,790 --> 00:15:06,060 to get afraid of some of the stuff 405 00:15:10,129 --> 00:15:07,800 that's that's available the information 406 00:15:11,930 --> 00:15:10,139 that is really talking about what this 407 00:15:13,910 --> 00:15:11,940 phenomena might be 408 00:15:15,829 --> 00:15:13,920 um they're more terrified and afraid 409 00:15:17,930 --> 00:15:15,839 than they are interested after they ask 410 00:15:19,850 --> 00:15:17,940 me what's going on so you gotta really 411 00:15:21,710 --> 00:15:19,860 I've been trying to develop a way to to 412 00:15:24,590 --> 00:15:21,720 engage people but in a way that doesn't 413 00:15:26,629 --> 00:15:24,600 scare them so so but it also is telling 414 00:15:28,250 --> 00:15:26,639 about what the government is doing and 415 00:15:29,870 --> 00:15:28,260 why they're so reluctant to talk about 416 00:15:32,210 --> 00:15:29,880 what's really going on 417 00:15:33,530 --> 00:15:32,220 because as Leslie Kane said and I wanted 418 00:15:34,970 --> 00:15:33,540 to kind of throw this in here real quick 419 00:15:37,250 --> 00:15:34,980 you know she had it she did an interview 420 00:15:39,590 --> 00:15:37,260 the other day on that UFO podcast 421 00:15:42,350 --> 00:15:39,600 and her comment that I really it really 422 00:15:44,810 --> 00:15:42,360 stuck with me was that for me she says 423 00:15:46,910 --> 00:15:44,820 quote for me personally I think getting 424 00:15:49,009 --> 00:15:46,920 an expanded perception of what the UFO 425 00:15:51,230 --> 00:15:49,019 is all about like for instance Skin 426 00:15:53,269 --> 00:15:51,240 Walkers at the Pentagon those bizarre 427 00:15:55,790 --> 00:15:53,279 experiences The Hitchhiker effect thing 428 00:15:58,250 --> 00:15:55,800 or the Paranormal aspect goes with you 429 00:16:00,110 --> 00:15:58,260 or with a person to another location and 430 00:16:02,629 --> 00:16:00,120 the orbs that are coming into people's 431 00:16:04,490 --> 00:16:02,639 bodies and causing medical injuries I 432 00:16:06,650 --> 00:16:04,500 think I'm more aware of the of this 433 00:16:08,449 --> 00:16:06,660 being something that's fearful I'm more 434 00:16:10,129 --> 00:16:08,459 aware that this is a power this 435 00:16:12,710 --> 00:16:10,139 non-human intelligence is something that 436 00:16:14,449 --> 00:16:12,720 has complete control over us humans and 437 00:16:17,870 --> 00:16:14,459 I understand why they've wanted to keep 438 00:16:20,269 --> 00:16:17,880 that a secret really I I've I've learned 439 00:16:21,889 --> 00:16:20,279 in the last eight months 440 00:16:24,590 --> 00:16:21,899 there is a reason why the government 441 00:16:26,090 --> 00:16:24,600 doesn't just say okay here it is and as 442 00:16:28,910 --> 00:16:26,100 much as people think they want to know 443 00:16:30,530 --> 00:16:28,920 they don't I don't believe they want to 444 00:16:32,750 --> 00:16:30,540 know anymore 445 00:16:34,670 --> 00:16:32,760 um so I think it's important for us as 446 00:16:36,350 --> 00:16:34,680 all of us I mean you guys all do an 447 00:16:38,389 --> 00:16:36,360 excellent job I've watched all your 448 00:16:39,530 --> 00:16:38,399 content not every single piece but I 449 00:16:40,850 --> 00:16:39,540 mean each one of you have watched your 450 00:16:43,970 --> 00:16:40,860 content as well 451 00:16:46,730 --> 00:16:43,980 from my my development and you do a 452 00:16:48,530 --> 00:16:46,740 great job at packaging the phenomena for 453 00:16:50,150 --> 00:16:48,540 the app for the average person and I'm 454 00:16:52,730 --> 00:16:50,160 learning how to do that very same thing 455 00:16:54,650 --> 00:16:52,740 so I think that the most notable thing 456 00:16:56,689 --> 00:16:54,660 this year is that the government is 457 00:16:58,670 --> 00:16:56,699 actually coming out at an official 458 00:17:01,370 --> 00:16:58,680 capacity and telling the American people 459 00:17:04,189 --> 00:17:01,380 and the world there is something to this 460 00:17:06,230 --> 00:17:04,199 phenomena I think that when you have CIA 461 00:17:08,809 --> 00:17:06,240 direct CIA ex Intelligence Officers 462 00:17:11,150 --> 00:17:08,819 saying that the slide nine has validity 463 00:17:12,590 --> 00:17:11,160 where they talk about this phenomenon 464 00:17:15,590 --> 00:17:12,600 being able to penetrate solid services 465 00:17:18,250 --> 00:17:15,600 and invade human minds and control our 466 00:17:21,409 --> 00:17:18,260 reality of perception of reality itself 467 00:17:22,789 --> 00:17:21,419 that is what that's it I mean what do 468 00:17:23,990 --> 00:17:22,799 you need we don't need them to tell us 469 00:17:26,030 --> 00:17:24,000 anything you know they can they can keep 470 00:17:28,189 --> 00:17:26,040 playing this game where we can't release 471 00:17:30,710 --> 00:17:28,199 National Security you know you know 472 00:17:34,610 --> 00:17:30,720 Secrets but they're telling us yeah this 473 00:17:37,370 --> 00:17:34,620 is bizarre go ahead Dave yeah I I also 474 00:17:39,409 --> 00:17:37,380 want to be Romancing giving you guys a 475 00:17:42,230 --> 00:17:39,419 giant compliment Jason and Louis on on 476 00:17:43,610 --> 00:17:42,240 the great job you guys have done this 477 00:17:45,710 --> 00:17:43,620 year and you know we don't hear it 478 00:17:48,590 --> 00:17:45,720 enough from host to host because there's 479 00:17:50,450 --> 00:17:48,600 always such competition between all of 480 00:17:52,730 --> 00:17:50,460 us and there's ego involved and 481 00:17:55,490 --> 00:17:52,740 everything but Jason Louie you guys I've 482 00:17:58,610 --> 00:17:55,500 been watching you guys all year long you 483 00:18:00,350 --> 00:17:58,620 guys have done just a a great job and 484 00:18:03,710 --> 00:18:00,360 one of the Thrills and highlights for me 485 00:18:06,409 --> 00:18:03,720 in 2022 was building this friendship 486 00:18:09,289 --> 00:18:06,419 first with Jason and now you Louie in 487 00:18:12,830 --> 00:18:09,299 regards to to uh you know what we talked 488 00:18:14,150 --> 00:18:12,840 about about UFOs and life in general you 489 00:18:16,549 --> 00:18:14,160 know because our lives are actually 490 00:18:19,370 --> 00:18:16,559 quite similar away from the microphone 491 00:18:22,370 --> 00:18:19,380 and and I just want to say to to your 492 00:18:24,350 --> 00:18:22,380 listeners out there that you guys got a 493 00:18:27,230 --> 00:18:24,360 couple of you guys are a couple of gems 494 00:18:29,090 --> 00:18:27,240 uh in this field you work hard to 495 00:18:31,730 --> 00:18:29,100 present the information that is out 496 00:18:36,049 --> 00:18:31,740 there you guys get a phenomenal list of 497 00:18:37,610 --> 00:18:36,059 tests that not every show gets but you 498 00:18:40,130 --> 00:18:37,620 guys have been fortunate enough to do 499 00:18:41,990 --> 00:18:40,140 that and you guys deserve a real pat on 500 00:18:44,450 --> 00:18:42,000 the back for the job that you have done 501 00:18:47,330 --> 00:18:44,460 for this information that you have 502 00:18:49,610 --> 00:18:47,340 provided this year and congrats to you 503 00:18:52,310 --> 00:18:49,620 guys on the on your hard work paying off 504 00:18:54,770 --> 00:18:52,320 and I just wanted to to share that 505 00:18:56,330 --> 00:18:54,780 because it's well deserved guys oh thank 506 00:18:58,430 --> 00:18:56,340 you so much Dave we really appreciate 507 00:19:00,590 --> 00:18:58,440 that it's heartfelt I can tell and we do 508 00:19:02,450 --> 00:19:00,600 appreciate it and to what Marquis was 509 00:19:04,549 --> 00:19:02,460 saying you know some of his listeners 510 00:19:06,470 --> 00:19:04,559 they're kind of scared they don't know 511 00:19:08,270 --> 00:19:06,480 there's a tsunami of information out 512 00:19:10,370 --> 00:19:08,280 there most of it is garbage but some of 513 00:19:13,010 --> 00:19:10,380 it is good and we're all swimming in 514 00:19:14,810 --> 00:19:13,020 that same channel of competition so I 515 00:19:16,850 --> 00:19:14,820 think more than now than ever our 516 00:19:18,650 --> 00:19:16,860 viewers they want a kind of a compass 517 00:19:20,090 --> 00:19:18,660 they want to have people they can trust 518 00:19:22,909 --> 00:19:20,100 that they know aren't going to lead them 519 00:19:25,250 --> 00:19:22,919 astray get their hopes up or just you 520 00:19:28,250 --> 00:19:25,260 know have the same canned story all the 521 00:19:30,169 --> 00:19:28,260 time or beat a dead horse to death to be 522 00:19:31,789 --> 00:19:30,179 Progressive and to get in front of the 523 00:19:33,650 --> 00:19:31,799 people looking for that information is 524 00:19:35,570 --> 00:19:33,660 the goal and I think we all do a 525 00:19:37,370 --> 00:19:35,580 fantastic job it's a lot of work I mean 526 00:19:39,470 --> 00:19:37,380 Dave and Jess you guys do a show five 527 00:19:41,150 --> 00:19:39,480 nights a week that's a lot I can't even 528 00:19:42,770 --> 00:19:41,160 imagine that yeah and you're still 529 00:19:44,690 --> 00:19:42,780 available and you're I'm sure like we 530 00:19:47,150 --> 00:19:44,700 get people comment and you know message 531 00:19:48,830 --> 00:19:47,160 us and all the rest it's a lot and if 532 00:19:50,690 --> 00:19:48,840 you don't love this and if you don't 533 00:19:52,730 --> 00:19:50,700 have that fire in you that makes you 534 00:19:54,950 --> 00:19:52,740 want to do it you go the way of most 535 00:19:57,130 --> 00:19:54,960 other shows right 10 episodes 20 536 00:19:59,690 --> 00:19:57,140 episodes ah screw it it's too much work 537 00:20:03,350 --> 00:19:59,700 trolls and all the rest cancel culture 538 00:20:04,549 --> 00:20:03,360 it's a lot to keep an eye out for and we 539 00:20:06,470 --> 00:20:04,559 wouldn't be doing it if it wasn't for 540 00:20:07,850 --> 00:20:06,480 love and for um the fact that we think 541 00:20:09,650 --> 00:20:07,860 we're actually making a difference you 542 00:20:12,049 --> 00:20:09,660 know like we mentioned earlier we went 543 00:20:13,789 --> 00:20:12,059 from uh having no guests uh you know one 544 00:20:15,890 --> 00:20:13,799 out of ten would say yes and now they 545 00:20:17,510 --> 00:20:15,900 pretty well all do so you know and 546 00:20:19,730 --> 00:20:17,520 credit to Jason too he started this 547 00:20:21,950 --> 00:20:19,740 podcast two years ago I just joined on 548 00:20:24,169 --> 00:20:21,960 at the beginning of the year but the 549 00:20:25,909 --> 00:20:24,179 growth has really uh it's a positive 550 00:20:27,770 --> 00:20:25,919 note I think it's good everybody shows 551 00:20:30,289 --> 00:20:27,780 seeing an uptick people are getting more 552 00:20:31,850 --> 00:20:30,299 into this the taboo is being removed and 553 00:20:34,730 --> 00:20:31,860 there was a lot of topics that came out 554 00:20:36,950 --> 00:20:34,740 in 2020 to big name things we'll go 555 00:20:38,630 --> 00:20:36,960 around the panel here is there anything 556 00:20:41,090 --> 00:20:38,640 that stands out as some of the bigger 557 00:20:43,250 --> 00:20:41,100 topics that came out this year uh we'll 558 00:20:46,090 --> 00:20:43,260 start with Jess on this one big 559 00:20:48,890 --> 00:20:46,100 revealing info 2022. what got everybody 560 00:20:50,870 --> 00:20:48,900 I don't know I think the lack of any UAP 561 00:20:52,669 --> 00:20:50,880 reports I think that's probably the 562 00:20:54,470 --> 00:20:52,679 biggest news I mean you've been watching 563 00:20:56,570 --> 00:20:54,480 people just say well where is it where 564 00:20:58,130 --> 00:20:56,580 is it and it's a lot of hype for a lot 565 00:20:59,570 --> 00:20:58,140 of actually nothing so I think that 566 00:21:01,190 --> 00:20:59,580 might be one of the big things I mean if 567 00:21:04,490 --> 00:21:01,200 you go from like the governmental kind 568 00:21:06,110 --> 00:21:04,500 of disclosure angle yeah for sure what 569 00:21:07,970 --> 00:21:06,120 about you Dave what do you think was big 570 00:21:09,409 --> 00:21:07,980 news breaking this year well I think 571 00:21:13,270 --> 00:21:09,419 it's a couple of things and it kind of 572 00:21:16,190 --> 00:21:13,280 goes on what Jess just said and and 573 00:21:18,890 --> 00:21:16,200 there was a lot of nothing there was a 574 00:21:20,630 --> 00:21:18,900 lot of nothing that was out there it's 575 00:21:22,669 --> 00:21:20,640 like waking up at Christmas morning 576 00:21:25,730 --> 00:21:22,679 waiting for Santa Claus to bring you 577 00:21:27,890 --> 00:21:25,740 that toy train and you end up with socks 578 00:21:30,230 --> 00:21:27,900 and underwear from Santa Claus yeah you 579 00:21:32,090 --> 00:21:30,240 know I think that was uh one of the 580 00:21:35,210 --> 00:21:32,100 biggest things that was disappointing 581 00:21:37,250 --> 00:21:35,220 but you know for me over the last six 582 00:21:40,610 --> 00:21:37,260 months I think one of the biggest 583 00:21:43,370 --> 00:21:40,620 telling tales that we have uh officially 584 00:21:46,850 --> 00:21:43,380 had the wool pulled over our eyes with 585 00:21:49,549 --> 00:21:46,860 this subject is in regards to NASA and 586 00:21:52,789 --> 00:21:49,559 we have been one of the only shows out 587 00:21:56,830 --> 00:21:52,799 there that has been absolutely trying to 588 00:21:59,750 --> 00:21:56,840 crucify NASA for embarrassing Humanity 589 00:22:02,210 --> 00:21:59,760 regarding this subject when Bill Nelson 590 00:22:05,810 --> 00:22:02,220 stood at a Podium for no reason back in 591 00:22:08,510 --> 00:22:05,820 July and said out of the blue that he he 592 00:22:11,149 --> 00:22:08,520 had talked to U.S Navy Pilots he had 593 00:22:15,710 --> 00:22:11,159 seen the videos and he couldn't believe 594 00:22:19,490 --> 00:22:15,720 that these uaps were all around and I'm 595 00:22:22,130 --> 00:22:19,500 screaming at my television set and and 596 00:22:24,350 --> 00:22:22,140 at my computer yelling 597 00:22:27,890 --> 00:22:24,360 open your closet 598 00:22:31,190 --> 00:22:27,900 you are the executive director of NASA 599 00:22:33,649 --> 00:22:31,200 open your closet we know that your 600 00:22:37,789 --> 00:22:33,659 Rockets have been followed for 60 years 601 00:22:41,810 --> 00:22:37,799 since Gemini and not a single person not 602 00:22:44,990 --> 00:22:41,820 a single journalist has asked that 603 00:22:47,830 --> 00:22:45,000 question what's in your closet Bill and 604 00:22:50,210 --> 00:22:47,840 to this day with the way it's exploded 605 00:22:52,970 --> 00:22:50,220 onto the scene with NASA getting 606 00:22:56,630 --> 00:22:52,980 involved and UFO Twitter activists 607 00:22:58,810 --> 00:22:56,640 cheering on Raw go NASA go welcome to 608 00:23:03,549 --> 00:22:58,820 the fight and I'm sitting here thinking 609 00:23:07,310 --> 00:23:03,559 we have audio proof of astronauts 610 00:23:10,909 --> 00:23:07,320 recorded stating what they are looking 611 00:23:13,549 --> 00:23:10,919 at in real time and nobody is 612 00:23:17,149 --> 00:23:13,559 questioning that nobody is asking him 613 00:23:20,510 --> 00:23:17,159 that and to me that is part of the 614 00:23:23,090 --> 00:23:20,520 biggest thing I learned in 2022 is that 615 00:23:25,789 --> 00:23:23,100 there is a major cover-up going on 616 00:23:28,690 --> 00:23:25,799 regarding UFOs this isn't about 617 00:23:32,029 --> 00:23:28,700 disclosure this is about con information 618 00:23:35,570 --> 00:23:32,039 of the phenomena wherever the phenomena 619 00:23:38,029 --> 00:23:35,580 goes and in reality I don't think it's 620 00:23:40,250 --> 00:23:38,039 good for our field and I don't believe 621 00:23:44,270 --> 00:23:40,260 it's good for Humanity and it's got me 622 00:23:47,990 --> 00:23:44,280 very angry as an experiencer and as a 623 00:23:49,549 --> 00:23:48,000 journalist who does not have access just 624 00:23:51,529 --> 00:23:49,559 you'll understand what I'm saying like 625 00:23:53,810 --> 00:23:51,539 when you're a journalist you get access 626 00:23:56,270 --> 00:23:53,820 to everything like like when I worked in 627 00:23:57,830 --> 00:23:56,280 sports radio man I could walk right into 628 00:24:00,649 --> 00:23:57,840 the Vancouver Canucks dressing room 629 00:24:02,210 --> 00:24:00,659 after a game or after a practice and 630 00:24:04,010 --> 00:24:02,220 interview the players and say what's 631 00:24:06,890 --> 00:24:04,020 going on I would talk to other 632 00:24:08,810 --> 00:24:06,900 journalists and and talk about okay who 633 00:24:10,789 --> 00:24:08,820 who's potentially getting traded where 634 00:24:14,570 --> 00:24:10,799 you know it didn't matter whether it was 635 00:24:16,970 --> 00:24:14,580 football hockey soccer baseball whatever 636 00:24:19,070 --> 00:24:16,980 it may be you were on the phone you were 637 00:24:21,830 --> 00:24:19,080 working your contacts but when it comes 638 00:24:24,830 --> 00:24:21,840 to this because we've chosen The Fringe 639 00:24:28,370 --> 00:24:24,840 side to cover this story we don't have 640 00:24:31,370 --> 00:24:28,380 access to NASA's PR team we don't have 641 00:24:33,350 --> 00:24:31,380 access to the pentagon's official press 642 00:24:35,870 --> 00:24:33,360 conferences where we could hook up into 643 00:24:38,450 --> 00:24:35,880 the phone line and go there because if 644 00:24:40,789 --> 00:24:38,460 we did I know that I would be all over 645 00:24:42,470 --> 00:24:40,799 that NASA phone line and I'd be saying 646 00:24:45,590 --> 00:24:42,480 Bill what's in your closet damn it 647 00:24:46,730 --> 00:24:45,600 what's in your closet spill it you're 648 00:24:49,490 --> 00:24:46,740 lying 649 00:24:51,350 --> 00:24:49,500 yeah yeah well said and Marquis you 650 00:24:53,390 --> 00:24:51,360 would have had a Wade through a 651 00:24:55,549 --> 00:24:53,400 Monumental amount of information to 652 00:24:58,970 --> 00:24:55,559 really find your own inner Compass as to 653 00:25:01,250 --> 00:24:58,980 what is what what's real what's not what 654 00:25:04,070 --> 00:25:01,260 kind of stood out for you this past year 655 00:25:05,690 --> 00:25:04,080 oh my gosh you do you know I I'm gonna 656 00:25:07,130 --> 00:25:05,700 you know do this condense it here 657 00:25:09,710 --> 00:25:07,140 because there's too much to to even 658 00:25:11,570 --> 00:25:09,720 really put out there but I think for me 659 00:25:14,630 --> 00:25:11,580 personally the most notable thing this 660 00:25:16,250 --> 00:25:14,640 year was that was Ross coldheart's 661 00:25:18,590 --> 00:25:16,260 documentary The need to know documentary 662 00:25:20,930 --> 00:25:18,600 about UFO the UFO phenomena and bringing 663 00:25:22,730 --> 00:25:20,940 on Gary Nolan his comments about what 664 00:25:24,470 --> 00:25:22,740 the what he thinks of phenomena he 665 00:25:26,330 --> 00:25:24,480 compared it to what what it could be not 666 00:25:28,970 --> 00:25:26,340 that it is you know this Angels Demons 667 00:25:31,190 --> 00:25:28,980 of God thing but the comparison of these 668 00:25:33,409 --> 00:25:31,200 beings being that of what our culture 669 00:25:36,230 --> 00:25:33,419 human civilization calls Angels demons 670 00:25:38,750 --> 00:25:36,240 and gods and his work with the with the 671 00:25:40,190 --> 00:25:38,760 US government or the military on the 672 00:25:43,610 --> 00:25:40,200 medical effects of the phenomena on 673 00:25:46,070 --> 00:25:43,620 human biology I think to for me that was 674 00:25:48,350 --> 00:25:46,080 that was really really important and as 675 00:25:50,090 --> 00:25:48,360 well as you know seeing the the UFO 676 00:25:51,950 --> 00:25:50,100 report being delayed and then hearing 677 00:25:54,110 --> 00:25:51,960 about what what some of the experts had 678 00:25:55,970 --> 00:25:54,120 to say like Ross coldheart and all those 679 00:25:58,010 --> 00:25:55,980 um but then you know hearing them say 680 00:26:01,730 --> 00:25:58,020 that they couldn't release even a piece 681 00:26:02,990 --> 00:26:01,740 of a photo like just like a cropped take 682 00:26:04,909 --> 00:26:03,000 a picture of a picture so there's no 683 00:26:05,750 --> 00:26:04,919 metadata right they wouldn't even do 684 00:26:07,430 --> 00:26:05,760 that because they said it would 685 00:26:09,950 --> 00:26:07,440 jeopardize National Security and then 686 00:26:11,269 --> 00:26:09,960 today literally this morning I'm doing a 687 00:26:13,190 --> 00:26:11,279 little bit of research just as normal 688 00:26:15,110 --> 00:26:13,200 and I come across something that I 689 00:26:19,610 --> 00:26:15,120 wanted to share and it was that it was 690 00:26:24,230 --> 00:26:19,620 the CEO of Northrop gunman uh Grumman 691 00:26:25,909 --> 00:26:24,240 um with CNBC CN CM um CNBC on YouTube it 692 00:26:29,210 --> 00:26:25,919 was a clip of them unveiling the new 693 00:26:30,950 --> 00:26:29,220 B-21 uh aircraft now come on now listen 694 00:26:33,049 --> 00:26:30,960 you guys you guys are gonna I feel like 695 00:26:35,450 --> 00:26:33,059 just like screaming and cursing at the 696 00:26:37,370 --> 00:26:35,460 screen when I saw this and my fiance was 697 00:26:38,269 --> 00:26:37,380 like she was trying to run away from me 698 00:26:40,669 --> 00:26:38,279 because I was like no you got to hear 699 00:26:43,010 --> 00:26:40,679 this it's insane this is what she said 700 00:26:44,510 --> 00:26:43,020 we can't release anything about uaps is 701 00:26:46,850 --> 00:26:44,520 what the government said right here's 702 00:26:49,549 --> 00:26:46,860 what here's what this person says 703 00:26:50,630 --> 00:26:49,559 um her name is uh let's see here what 704 00:26:54,409 --> 00:26:50,640 was her name 705 00:26:57,890 --> 00:26:54,419 oh Kathy Warden she's the CEO of 706 00:27:01,430 --> 00:26:57,900 Northrop Grumman or bronen the B21 707 00:27:02,930 --> 00:27:01,440 bomber is a long-range strike aircraft 708 00:27:05,330 --> 00:27:02,940 um what that means is that it has the 709 00:27:08,269 --> 00:27:05,340 range to go anywhere in the world and 710 00:27:11,570 --> 00:27:08,279 keep a Target at risk it is also a 711 00:27:13,669 --> 00:27:11,580 platform though that is low observable 712 00:27:16,370 --> 00:27:13,679 that means it can enter enemy airspace 713 00:27:18,649 --> 00:27:16,380 and not be detected those are some of 714 00:27:20,870 --> 00:27:18,659 the attributes of the B21 that make it 715 00:27:22,909 --> 00:27:20,880 special now that is not the only thing 716 00:27:24,830 --> 00:27:22,919 she revealed we got to see what it looks 717 00:27:26,210 --> 00:27:24,840 like we got this we got to learn about 718 00:27:27,470 --> 00:27:26,220 the cockpit that is a very beautiful 719 00:27:28,570 --> 00:27:27,480 moment Dave 720 00:27:30,890 --> 00:27:28,580 um 721 00:27:32,090 --> 00:27:30,900 we got to learn about what the what's 722 00:27:33,409 --> 00:27:32,100 what's in the cockpit and how the 723 00:27:35,029 --> 00:27:33,419 technology connects with our allies 724 00:27:37,070 --> 00:27:35,039 Technologies we got to learn all this 725 00:27:39,970 --> 00:27:37,080 stuff about this this brand new B-21 726 00:27:43,789 --> 00:27:39,980 bomber but they can't show us a picture 727 00:27:45,710 --> 00:27:43,799 just to and remove the metadata show us 728 00:27:48,230 --> 00:27:45,720 a picture of one of the craft they have 729 00:27:49,870 --> 00:27:48,240 redacted documents where they say we 730 00:27:51,890 --> 00:27:49,880 we've tracked this object going 731 00:27:53,029 --> 00:27:51,900 ridiculously fast without breaking the 732 00:27:55,370 --> 00:27:53,039 sound barrier making all these right 733 00:27:56,870 --> 00:27:55,380 angle turns completely stopping abruptly 734 00:27:59,510 --> 00:27:56,880 all these are all these different you 735 00:28:02,149 --> 00:27:59,520 know five observables but we can't tell 736 00:28:03,890 --> 00:28:02,159 you what the shape of the object is 737 00:28:08,350 --> 00:28:03,900 I am not going to curse I told my 738 00:28:15,230 --> 00:28:11,630 that is the most frustrating part about 739 00:28:17,870 --> 00:28:15,240 this entire year for me was the the 740 00:28:21,110 --> 00:28:17,880 ridiculous if anybody who believes that 741 00:28:22,850 --> 00:28:21,120 is willfully ignorant they want to be 742 00:28:24,769 --> 00:28:22,860 ignorant period they want to be they 743 00:28:26,510 --> 00:28:24,779 don't want to know they just want to 744 00:28:27,950 --> 00:28:26,520 stay in their little freaking bubble or 745 00:28:30,590 --> 00:28:27,960 they don't have to explore what this 746 00:28:32,450 --> 00:28:30,600 reality really is yeah and a big 747 00:28:34,190 --> 00:28:32,460 debatable this year was the threat 748 00:28:36,950 --> 00:28:34,200 narrative and the go ahead Dave before 749 00:28:40,490 --> 00:28:36,960 we get off I just wanted to add to what 750 00:28:43,070 --> 00:28:40,500 Marquis was just saying okay because I 751 00:28:45,529 --> 00:28:43,080 happen to meet this year somebody at my 752 00:28:48,649 --> 00:28:45,539 Vegas uh our Vegas fan party that we did 753 00:28:52,310 --> 00:28:48,659 for space out radio uh who I had no idea 754 00:28:56,230 --> 00:28:52,320 was showing up and this person spent 12 755 00:29:00,649 --> 00:28:56,240 years as an employee at area 51. 756 00:29:02,570 --> 00:29:00,659 and I confirmed him through a a friend 757 00:29:04,970 --> 00:29:02,580 of mine in Vegas actually brought him to 758 00:29:07,610 --> 00:29:04,980 the party and then I ended up going to 759 00:29:10,010 --> 00:29:07,620 speak at the mufon conference in Denver 760 00:29:12,250 --> 00:29:10,020 and then this gentleman says to me hey 761 00:29:14,510 --> 00:29:12,260 I'd like to talk with you off the Record 762 00:29:16,190 --> 00:29:14,520 uh any chance you're coming to Vegas 763 00:29:18,590 --> 00:29:16,200 soon so instead of flying back home 764 00:29:21,230 --> 00:29:18,600 after Denver I went over to Las Vegas 765 00:29:24,230 --> 00:29:21,240 for a couple of days to to speak with 766 00:29:25,850 --> 00:29:24,240 this gentleman and here's something to 767 00:29:29,269 --> 00:29:25,860 add to what you were saying Marquis 768 00:29:30,470 --> 00:29:29,279 regards the B21 how's this for freaky 769 00:29:33,529 --> 00:29:30,480 guys 770 00:29:35,630 --> 00:29:33,539 once a month you could be walking down 771 00:29:39,049 --> 00:29:35,640 the streets of Los Angeles or more so 772 00:29:42,649 --> 00:29:39,059 the streets of uh Las Vegas Boulevard 773 00:29:44,930 --> 00:29:42,659 and above you and you don't even know is 774 00:29:47,570 --> 00:29:44,940 an aircraft doing a simulated bombing 775 00:29:52,430 --> 00:29:47,580 run on the strip 776 00:29:55,490 --> 00:29:52,440 and they are waiting for the aircraft at 777 00:29:58,010 --> 00:29:55,500 Nellis Air Force range to be scrambled 778 00:29:59,750 --> 00:29:58,020 to try and intercept this craft and 779 00:30:01,610 --> 00:29:59,760 Nellis Air Force range like if you draw 780 00:30:03,970 --> 00:30:01,620 a line on this strip it almost 781 00:30:08,750 --> 00:30:03,980 intersects with Las Vegas Boulevard 782 00:30:11,149 --> 00:30:08,760 right at the end and guys 783 00:30:12,409 --> 00:30:11,159 these aircraft haven't been intercepted 784 00:30:15,769 --> 00:30:12,419 yet 785 00:30:17,210 --> 00:30:15,779 yeah yes so while the Russians and the 786 00:30:19,250 --> 00:30:17,220 Chinese are playing with stealth 787 00:30:22,010 --> 00:30:19,260 technology and we're all worried about 788 00:30:24,470 --> 00:30:22,020 that the American government is way 789 00:30:27,230 --> 00:30:24,480 Beyond stealth guys yeah and they are 790 00:30:29,990 --> 00:30:27,240 doing these simulated bombing runs once 791 00:30:33,230 --> 00:30:30,000 a month on Las Vegas Boulevard and right 792 00:30:36,169 --> 00:30:33,240 downtown Los Angeles to see if they 793 00:30:38,750 --> 00:30:36,179 could get picked up by uh the American 794 00:30:41,029 --> 00:30:38,760 radar systems and so far they're 795 00:30:43,970 --> 00:30:41,039 defeating it you know I've often 796 00:30:46,250 --> 00:30:43,980 wondered that the technology that we're 797 00:30:47,450 --> 00:30:46,260 using if we are reverse engineering this 798 00:30:49,250 --> 00:30:47,460 technology 799 00:30:50,810 --> 00:30:49,260 you know we keep saying are these things 800 00:30:51,950 --> 00:30:50,820 a threat to us I don't think they're a 801 00:30:55,269 --> 00:30:51,960 threat to us but I think their 802 00:30:58,850 --> 00:30:55,279 technology in the wrong hands AKA ours 803 00:31:00,590 --> 00:30:58,860 uh is is potentially harmful because we 804 00:31:02,810 --> 00:31:00,600 always use new technology for one 805 00:31:06,049 --> 00:31:02,820 purpose and that's for killing it's the 806 00:31:07,909 --> 00:31:06,059 oldest uh Pastime in human history is 807 00:31:10,490 --> 00:31:07,919 killing people we always think of new 808 00:31:12,230 --> 00:31:10,500 weapons new ways of doing it we see 809 00:31:13,789 --> 00:31:12,240 technology that we don't understand we 810 00:31:15,769 --> 00:31:13,799 reverse engineer it and the first thing 811 00:31:17,810 --> 00:31:15,779 we think of is it's got to be for 812 00:31:19,490 --> 00:31:17,820 defense purposes we've got to use this 813 00:31:21,769 --> 00:31:19,500 for stealth we got to use this for Speed 814 00:31:23,570 --> 00:31:21,779 we got to use this to outmaneuver the 815 00:31:24,950 --> 00:31:23,580 opponent that's why the threat 816 00:31:28,070 --> 00:31:24,960 narratives keep coming in because 817 00:31:29,930 --> 00:31:28,080 militarily wise that's how we think as a 818 00:31:32,810 --> 00:31:29,940 species obviously if you have the upper 819 00:31:33,710 --> 00:31:32,820 hand in technology or advancement in 820 00:31:35,930 --> 00:31:33,720 science 821 00:31:38,090 --> 00:31:35,940 you win right throughout our history 822 00:31:40,010 --> 00:31:38,100 that's always how it's been and I I 823 00:31:41,810 --> 00:31:40,020 honestly think at this point it's not a 824 00:31:43,970 --> 00:31:41,820 question of whether these things are a 825 00:31:46,549 --> 00:31:43,980 threat to us it's if the technology is a 826 00:31:48,350 --> 00:31:46,559 threat to us in our hands and the term 827 00:31:51,230 --> 00:31:48,360 threat means many things to many 828 00:31:52,850 --> 00:31:51,240 different people so a threat could be 829 00:31:56,269 --> 00:31:52,860 are they going to come and take over the 830 00:31:58,970 --> 00:31:56,279 planet B is it a military threat I.E an 831 00:32:00,409 --> 00:31:58,980 adversary C is it a threat that our 832 00:32:03,110 --> 00:32:00,419 Pilots don't know how to engage 833 00:32:05,930 --> 00:32:03,120 correctly and they might make a mistake 834 00:32:08,149 --> 00:32:05,940 um or is it a threat to the disclosure 835 00:32:10,130 --> 00:32:08,159 where we can't tell you how we got this 836 00:32:12,409 --> 00:32:10,140 info because it will reveal how 837 00:32:14,630 --> 00:32:12,419 sensitive our instruments really are or 838 00:32:16,070 --> 00:32:14,640 these you know uh hidden bombing runs 839 00:32:18,110 --> 00:32:16,080 and they can't intercept these things 840 00:32:20,269 --> 00:32:18,120 maybe they already have things that 841 00:32:21,830 --> 00:32:20,279 either are reverse engineered 842 00:32:23,630 --> 00:32:21,840 um or they just have Technologies they 843 00:32:26,149 --> 00:32:23,640 don't want other people knowing about so 844 00:32:28,310 --> 00:32:26,159 the threat question and we've asked the 845 00:32:29,810 --> 00:32:28,320 last dozen guests Jason what are your 846 00:32:31,010 --> 00:32:29,820 thoughts on the threat narrative and 847 00:32:32,870 --> 00:32:31,020 they all approach you from a different 848 00:32:35,389 --> 00:32:32,880 angle well what kind of threat and 849 00:32:37,250 --> 00:32:35,399 threat to who so I want to ask our panel 850 00:32:38,990 --> 00:32:37,260 here today we'll start with Jess what 851 00:32:40,610 --> 00:32:39,000 are your thoughts on the threat 852 00:32:42,409 --> 00:32:40,620 narrative 853 00:32:44,090 --> 00:32:42,419 ah this is my thoughts on the threat 854 00:32:46,070 --> 00:32:44,100 narrative and at least if you talk about 855 00:32:49,070 --> 00:32:46,080 it like militarily right the military 856 00:32:51,049 --> 00:32:49,080 wants it to be a threat because then we 857 00:32:53,029 --> 00:32:51,059 can get more money into the budget and 858 00:32:54,950 --> 00:32:53,039 that's what a lot of this is about at 859 00:32:56,630 --> 00:32:54,960 least for the military yeah so that's 860 00:32:58,250 --> 00:32:56,640 all I got to say about that we have the 861 00:32:59,990 --> 00:32:58,260 military industrial complex ladies and 862 00:33:01,789 --> 00:33:00,000 gentlemen the United States doesn't know 863 00:33:03,590 --> 00:33:01,799 how to make money without War 864 00:33:04,909 --> 00:33:03,600 yeah they're the biggest war machine on 865 00:33:06,769 --> 00:33:04,919 the planet they make the tanks and 866 00:33:08,889 --> 00:33:06,779 planes and guns and warriors big things 867 00:33:11,029 --> 00:33:08,899 right yeah what do you think 868 00:33:13,070 --> 00:33:11,039 what do you think under threat narrative 869 00:33:14,870 --> 00:33:13,080 I know you kind of touched on it but if 870 00:33:17,690 --> 00:33:14,880 you want to elaborate a little on the 871 00:33:19,610 --> 00:33:17,700 threat I have to preface with me I am 872 00:33:21,649 --> 00:33:19,620 still new in learning so a lot of you 873 00:33:23,690 --> 00:33:21,659 guys have had years of experience 874 00:33:25,730 --> 00:33:23,700 decades even some right 875 00:33:28,490 --> 00:33:25,740 um however I have been interested for 876 00:33:32,029 --> 00:33:28,500 for as long as I can remember 877 00:33:34,669 --> 00:33:32,039 um I have listened to what some of the 878 00:33:37,310 --> 00:33:34,679 scientists and and the the reporters 879 00:33:38,930 --> 00:33:37,320 have been talking about on both sides of 880 00:33:40,789 --> 00:33:38,940 this idea of the threat narrative I mean 881 00:33:43,610 --> 00:33:40,799 the wheelsano said that if you're behind 882 00:33:45,950 --> 00:33:43,620 the the you know the propulsion of any 883 00:33:47,450 --> 00:33:45,960 aircraft you're it's a threat because it 884 00:33:48,889 --> 00:33:47,460 could kill you if you're behind you know 885 00:33:50,690 --> 00:33:48,899 the propulsion system of an aircraft if 886 00:33:52,730 --> 00:33:50,700 you're behind the jet engines of a plane 887 00:33:54,230 --> 00:33:52,740 and you're standing close enough you 888 00:33:55,970 --> 00:33:54,240 it's a threat to you you can you can be 889 00:33:58,850 --> 00:33:55,980 killed by that so essentially the 890 00:34:00,889 --> 00:33:58,860 phenomenon can be seen as as it's the 891 00:34:02,330 --> 00:34:00,899 effects of the craft itself they are a 892 00:34:04,370 --> 00:34:02,340 threat to us 893 00:34:05,810 --> 00:34:04,380 um that is a reality however that 894 00:34:06,830 --> 00:34:05,820 doesn't that's not necessarily the 895 00:34:08,930 --> 00:34:06,840 narrative that shouldn't be the whole 896 00:34:10,550 --> 00:34:08,940 narrative but I am of the persuasion 897 00:34:12,109 --> 00:34:10,560 that this phenomena has been around for 898 00:34:13,730 --> 00:34:12,119 thousands of years 899 00:34:15,829 --> 00:34:13,740 um that is interacted with Humanity in 900 00:34:17,629 --> 00:34:15,839 many different ways so much so that that 901 00:34:19,010 --> 00:34:17,639 all religions have talked about Gods 902 00:34:20,990 --> 00:34:19,020 from the Skies coming down here and 903 00:34:22,430 --> 00:34:21,000 giving us knowledge but also controlling 904 00:34:24,169 --> 00:34:22,440 the civilization and the direction of 905 00:34:25,669 --> 00:34:24,179 the civilization and sometimes the 906 00:34:28,250 --> 00:34:25,679 extinction of some of these 907 00:34:30,409 --> 00:34:28,260 Civilizations for whatever reason some 908 00:34:31,970 --> 00:34:30,419 of these gods were just just ruthless 909 00:34:34,010 --> 00:34:31,980 and they were they were you know they 910 00:34:35,329 --> 00:34:34,020 were very violent and aggressive towards 911 00:34:37,609 --> 00:34:35,339 humanity and treated us like we were 912 00:34:40,190 --> 00:34:37,619 just cattle or to be used 913 00:34:41,810 --> 00:34:40,200 um for sacrifices and and have an entire 914 00:34:44,329 --> 00:34:41,820 civilization built around that idea of 915 00:34:46,849 --> 00:34:44,339 Sacrament sacrifice that was given that 916 00:34:48,649 --> 00:34:46,859 was that was our and that has been human 917 00:34:51,050 --> 00:34:48,659 civilizations interaction with this 918 00:34:53,690 --> 00:34:51,060 phenomena for thousands of years for 919 00:34:55,490 --> 00:34:53,700 Millennia I do not think for one moment 920 00:34:56,930 --> 00:34:55,500 that we should not at least be concerned 921 00:34:58,790 --> 00:34:56,940 about the possibility that this 922 00:35:00,530 --> 00:34:58,800 phenomena it doesn't have positive 923 00:35:01,670 --> 00:35:00,540 intentions for Humanity not that it's 924 00:35:03,589 --> 00:35:01,680 all batting and they're going to come in 925 00:35:05,510 --> 00:35:03,599 invade us they haven't done that I mean 926 00:35:06,829 --> 00:35:05,520 they've only destroyed you know certain 927 00:35:09,050 --> 00:35:06,839 civilizations throughout history we're 928 00:35:10,550 --> 00:35:09,060 still here and we're still growing as a 929 00:35:12,710 --> 00:35:10,560 new civilization currently a modern 930 00:35:14,990 --> 00:35:12,720 civilization but I think that if they 931 00:35:16,250 --> 00:35:15,000 wanted to if they wanted to they could 932 00:35:17,870 --> 00:35:16,260 end it all just like that and we still 933 00:35:18,890 --> 00:35:17,880 get sort of sold back over with with 934 00:35:20,450 --> 00:35:18,900 cavemen 935 00:35:22,310 --> 00:35:20,460 um for the military to believe for one 936 00:35:24,170 --> 00:35:22,320 moment that with the nature of our 937 00:35:26,569 --> 00:35:24,180 civilization we could fight a 938 00:35:28,430 --> 00:35:26,579 civilization that built this technology 939 00:35:30,589 --> 00:35:28,440 that we can't even that's working with 940 00:35:33,650 --> 00:35:30,599 interdimensional technology and you know 941 00:35:34,730 --> 00:35:33,660 in in mind where they say it connects 942 00:35:36,530 --> 00:35:34,740 with your Consciousness the technology 943 00:35:38,270 --> 00:35:36,540 is consciousness we're driven 944 00:35:41,329 --> 00:35:38,280 that's what the scientists are saying 945 00:35:43,790 --> 00:35:41,339 how can we possibly compete with a 946 00:35:46,730 --> 00:35:43,800 civilization let's make one or two craft 947 00:35:47,990 --> 00:35:46,740 like them what are we gonna do how many 948 00:35:49,970 --> 00:35:48,000 people are going to Pilot them they have 949 00:35:51,589 --> 00:35:49,980 an entire civilization of people that 950 00:35:53,690 --> 00:35:51,599 can do this that can operate this 951 00:35:55,550 --> 00:35:53,700 technology with that is so far Advanced 952 00:35:59,270 --> 00:35:55,560 they're doing things that are akin to 953 00:36:01,310 --> 00:35:59,280 Magic and Godlike which is human 954 00:36:03,290 --> 00:36:01,320 so if the military does think this 955 00:36:05,089 --> 00:36:03,300 threat this they can they're they're 956 00:36:07,310 --> 00:36:05,099 keeping it a secret because they want to 957 00:36:09,589 --> 00:36:07,320 stop the Russians so that we need to 958 00:36:11,569 --> 00:36:09,599 really consider how stupid that is yeah 959 00:36:14,089 --> 00:36:11,579 we need to be working with the Chinese 960 00:36:15,890 --> 00:36:14,099 and the Russians to to potentially 961 00:36:18,589 --> 00:36:15,900 prepare Humanity for whatever this 962 00:36:20,630 --> 00:36:18,599 phenomenon really is find out what it is 963 00:36:23,750 --> 00:36:20,640 what its intentions are because we don't 964 00:36:25,790 --> 00:36:23,760 know and and if it's here to take us 965 00:36:28,010 --> 00:36:25,800 over we need to be prepared for that if 966 00:36:29,450 --> 00:36:28,020 it's not we still need to prepare for be 967 00:36:31,790 --> 00:36:29,460 prepared for their presence because 968 00:36:33,170 --> 00:36:31,800 they're here and like a post you made 969 00:36:35,390 --> 00:36:33,180 the other day it said you are not 970 00:36:37,730 --> 00:36:35,400 American you are an Earthling yes on 971 00:36:39,410 --> 00:36:37,740 planet Earth so right remove the lines 972 00:36:40,790 --> 00:36:39,420 and I'll throw it to brother Dave here 973 00:36:42,650 --> 00:36:40,800 your thoughts on the threat narrative 974 00:36:44,690 --> 00:36:42,660 you've got some Insider info sometimes 975 00:36:47,810 --> 00:36:44,700 too so what do you think about this 976 00:36:50,690 --> 00:36:47,820 whole threat narrative quote unquote I I 977 00:36:52,130 --> 00:36:50,700 think there is zero threat narrative on 978 00:36:54,890 --> 00:36:52,140 this planet 979 00:36:56,990 --> 00:36:54,900 now I'm not saying that there aren't 980 00:36:58,910 --> 00:36:57,000 species of these ultra-terrestrials 981 00:37:00,950 --> 00:36:58,920 extraterrestrials interdimensionals 982 00:37:02,270 --> 00:37:00,960 whatever you want to call them I'm not 983 00:37:04,609 --> 00:37:02,280 saying there isn't a threat that's like 984 00:37:06,470 --> 00:37:04,619 saying there's not a bad person on this 985 00:37:08,870 --> 00:37:06,480 planet yet in the United States alone 986 00:37:11,930 --> 00:37:08,880 there are over 2 million uh people 987 00:37:15,470 --> 00:37:11,940 incarcerated for very heinous crimes 988 00:37:16,970 --> 00:37:15,480 against humanity okay and how many are 989 00:37:19,730 --> 00:37:16,980 still on the streets that haven't been 990 00:37:21,650 --> 00:37:19,740 caught yet I I know that there are bad 991 00:37:23,870 --> 00:37:21,660 aliens out there I know that there are 992 00:37:26,390 --> 00:37:23,880 good aliens out there you know for my 993 00:37:29,150 --> 00:37:26,400 own personal experiences you know but 994 00:37:31,130 --> 00:37:29,160 that being said I also understand the 995 00:37:34,069 --> 00:37:31,140 paranoia of the if we could use that 996 00:37:37,849 --> 00:37:34,079 term regarding the military where guys 997 00:37:41,210 --> 00:37:37,859 if if you or me are standing on a 998 00:37:45,650 --> 00:37:41,220 training ground with binoculars watching 999 00:37:49,390 --> 00:37:45,660 say and the U.S army uh go through some 1000 00:37:52,730 --> 00:37:49,400 of its drills were considered a threat 1001 00:37:54,470 --> 00:37:52,740 okay even though we pose no threat we're 1002 00:37:56,690 --> 00:37:54,480 just there out of curiosity like whoa 1003 00:37:58,310 --> 00:37:56,700 look at this like if I saw tanks rolling 1004 00:38:01,190 --> 00:37:58,320 down my street right now I'd be like 1005 00:38:03,050 --> 00:38:01,200 whoa this is awesome you know let's see 1006 00:38:05,930 --> 00:38:03,060 what this is all about but on a military 1007 00:38:09,290 --> 00:38:05,940 standpoint we are considered a threat 1008 00:38:11,569 --> 00:38:09,300 okay just like uh what we are seeing 1009 00:38:14,750 --> 00:38:11,579 with you know going back to the 2004 1010 00:38:17,210 --> 00:38:14,760 Nimitz incident with these Tic Tacs okay 1011 00:38:21,170 --> 00:38:17,220 that were pretty much playing with the 1012 00:38:23,450 --> 00:38:21,180 fa-18 super Hornets but that being said 1013 00:38:26,510 --> 00:38:23,460 information that has come across my desk 1014 00:38:28,430 --> 00:38:26,520 recently you know being from Canada 1015 00:38:30,829 --> 00:38:28,440 is that the Canadian Department of 1016 00:38:34,010 --> 00:38:30,839 National Defense has told members of 1017 00:38:37,910 --> 00:38:34,020 parliament there is no threat narrative 1018 00:38:40,190 --> 00:38:37,920 I repeat no threat narrative regarding 1019 00:38:43,550 --> 00:38:40,200 unidentified aerial phenomena in 1020 00:38:45,829 --> 00:38:43,560 Canadian airspace this is why Canada has 1021 00:38:48,290 --> 00:38:45,839 wanted to go with more of a scientific 1022 00:38:50,290 --> 00:38:48,300 look at what the phenomena is all about 1023 00:38:53,450 --> 00:38:50,300 where these craft are coming from 1024 00:38:55,130 --> 00:38:53,460 instead of going through a threat 1025 00:38:56,569 --> 00:38:55,140 narrative where it's all about defense 1026 00:38:59,750 --> 00:38:56,579 and we've got to figure out how to shoot 1027 00:39:02,870 --> 00:38:59,760 these damn things down and I think that 1028 00:39:05,930 --> 00:39:02,880 is why talks about UFOs actually I know 1029 00:39:09,050 --> 00:39:05,940 100 percent that is why talks between 1030 00:39:12,109 --> 00:39:09,060 UFO about UFOs between Canada and the 1031 00:39:14,569 --> 00:39:12,119 United States have stalled there is no 1032 00:39:15,530 --> 00:39:14,579 other reason that has been put on social 1033 00:39:18,470 --> 00:39:15,540 media 1034 00:39:20,870 --> 00:39:18,480 it's because Canada would not play the 1035 00:39:23,930 --> 00:39:20,880 threat narrative regarding this subject 1036 00:39:26,390 --> 00:39:23,940 now I know we're not the only country in 1037 00:39:28,609 --> 00:39:26,400 the world regarding that the UK recently 1038 00:39:31,370 --> 00:39:28,619 refused to have talks about it because 1039 00:39:33,349 --> 00:39:31,380 of the threat narrative Australia has 1040 00:39:35,690 --> 00:39:33,359 refused to have talks about it because 1041 00:39:37,609 --> 00:39:35,700 of the threat narrative okay nobody 1042 00:39:39,829 --> 00:39:37,619 wants to play the military-industrial 1043 00:39:42,170 --> 00:39:39,839 complex game outside of the United 1044 00:39:44,329 --> 00:39:42,180 States right now because we have other 1045 00:39:47,470 --> 00:39:44,339 things to worry about there's people who 1046 00:39:50,150 --> 00:39:47,480 are hungry inflation is out of control 1047 00:39:51,770 --> 00:39:50,160 okay almost pushing us towards another 1048 00:39:55,430 --> 00:39:51,780 depression 1049 00:39:57,470 --> 00:39:55,440 and there is a lot going on that we have 1050 00:39:59,390 --> 00:39:57,480 to be able to combat rather than 1051 00:40:01,550 --> 00:39:59,400 worrying about spending Millions upon 1052 00:40:05,450 --> 00:40:01,560 millions of dollars and looking into 1053 00:40:06,950 --> 00:40:05,460 UFOs even though the topic is there so I 1054 00:40:09,470 --> 00:40:06,960 don't believe there's a threat narrative 1055 00:40:11,569 --> 00:40:09,480 I'm going to go with the information of 1056 00:40:13,910 --> 00:40:11,579 people who are not panicking over the 1057 00:40:15,890 --> 00:40:13,920 subject rather as like Jess said people 1058 00:40:18,349 --> 00:40:15,900 who are panicking for dollars 1059 00:40:20,510 --> 00:40:18,359 okay and I think that's a great line 1060 00:40:23,470 --> 00:40:20,520 that we need to use when regarding UFOs 1061 00:40:25,910 --> 00:40:23,480 panicking for dollars 1062 00:40:27,470 --> 00:40:25,920 so let's chat about I mean there's so 1063 00:40:29,030 --> 00:40:27,480 much to cover that happened in a full 1064 00:40:30,890 --> 00:40:29,040 year it's hard to condense it to an 1065 00:40:34,370 --> 00:40:30,900 hour-long show but if you were to think 1066 00:40:37,910 --> 00:40:34,380 of the best or most exciting of the year 1067 00:40:39,710 --> 00:40:37,920 or the worst or most deflating of the 1068 00:40:41,510 --> 00:40:39,720 year we'll start with Jess on this 1069 00:40:43,490 --> 00:40:41,520 question here what is your sort of best 1070 00:40:46,730 --> 00:40:43,500 and worst of 2022 1071 00:40:50,210 --> 00:40:46,740 like my own or like uh like within the 1072 00:40:52,250 --> 00:40:50,220 field within the field ah you know 1073 00:40:54,650 --> 00:40:52,260 I don't know I feel put on the spot here 1074 00:40:56,450 --> 00:40:54,660 I don't have a answer ready for you here 1075 00:40:59,390 --> 00:40:56,460 okay I'll come back to you then well 1076 00:41:00,770 --> 00:40:59,400 I'll throw it to myself I think let me 1077 00:41:01,910 --> 00:41:00,780 think for a moment yeah no problem we'll 1078 00:41:04,310 --> 00:41:01,920 come back to you what do you think Jay 1079 00:41:07,190 --> 00:41:04,320 best and worst of 2022. well the worst 1080 00:41:09,470 --> 00:41:07,200 was the uh New York Post I think uh 1081 00:41:11,089 --> 00:41:09,480 recent article by I forgot his name 1082 00:41:12,890 --> 00:41:11,099 because I'm bad with names but uh 1083 00:41:16,370 --> 00:41:12,900 basically trying to poo poo 1084 00:41:18,050 --> 00:41:16,380 the USPS you know issue away and saying 1085 00:41:20,329 --> 00:41:18,060 it's not a big deal you know the Navy's 1086 00:41:21,829 --> 00:41:20,339 not talking about it anymore and I 1087 00:41:24,050 --> 00:41:21,839 mentioned this before the Navy's done 1088 00:41:26,150 --> 00:41:24,060 its part you know like you mentioned 1089 00:41:27,710 --> 00:41:26,160 before uh we were talking before the 1090 00:41:29,810 --> 00:41:27,720 episode you said you know they they did 1091 00:41:31,310 --> 00:41:29,820 their part they gave us the Tic Tac and 1092 00:41:32,810 --> 00:41:31,320 now they're silent they're not giving us 1093 00:41:34,430 --> 00:41:32,820 anything 1094 00:41:36,829 --> 00:41:34,440 um but yeah I would say that that 1095 00:41:38,390 --> 00:41:36,839 article was one of the worst ones 1096 00:41:42,050 --> 00:41:38,400 because it doesn't give any credibility 1097 00:41:44,150 --> 00:41:42,060 to the subject and or making it it 1098 00:41:47,390 --> 00:41:44,160 almost seems like we made progress with 1099 00:41:49,190 --> 00:41:47,400 the you know the the news and reporters 1100 00:41:51,170 --> 00:41:49,200 and now it's like some reporters are 1101 00:41:53,210 --> 00:41:51,180 fighting back oh no no this is silly if 1102 00:41:54,589 --> 00:41:53,220 you believe in this you're you're crazy 1103 00:41:57,349 --> 00:41:54,599 but 1104 00:42:00,530 --> 00:41:57,359 everybody that we talk to you know or 1105 00:42:02,630 --> 00:42:00,540 even personal lives like somebody knows 1106 00:42:04,069 --> 00:42:02,640 somebody who's had an experience if 1107 00:42:06,650 --> 00:42:04,079 you're not an experiencer if you're not 1108 00:42:08,390 --> 00:42:06,660 if you didn't witness something uh you 1109 00:42:10,010 --> 00:42:08,400 know somebody who has either in your 1110 00:42:13,609 --> 00:42:10,020 family your friend's Circle or whatever 1111 00:42:15,290 --> 00:42:13,619 in you know us being in the field we 1112 00:42:18,530 --> 00:42:15,300 have people coming to us all the time 1113 00:42:20,450 --> 00:42:18,540 Dave is the same thing Marquis Jess uh 1114 00:42:21,950 --> 00:42:20,460 you know that they feel like they can 1115 00:42:25,069 --> 00:42:21,960 trust us because no we're not going to 1116 00:42:27,410 --> 00:42:25,079 laugh at what they witnessed 1117 00:42:28,790 --> 00:42:27,420 um but in the news now basically they're 1118 00:42:30,349 --> 00:42:28,800 trying to say if you see this that 1119 00:42:32,270 --> 00:42:30,359 you're basically you're crazy while you 1120 00:42:34,130 --> 00:42:32,280 have CNN who's taking this seriously so 1121 00:42:35,930 --> 00:42:34,140 I like that but I think that we still 1122 00:42:38,210 --> 00:42:35,940 we're still fighting with the the news 1123 00:42:40,970 --> 00:42:38,220 at this point either taking it seriously 1124 00:42:42,650 --> 00:42:40,980 or making a mockery of it and what do 1125 00:42:44,450 --> 00:42:42,660 you think was the best of the year was 1126 00:42:47,030 --> 00:42:44,460 the most exciting or positive thing to 1127 00:42:48,410 --> 00:42:47,040 come out of 2022 1128 00:42:49,730 --> 00:42:48,420 I don't know I think we see some 1129 00:42:53,210 --> 00:42:49,740 progress even 1130 00:42:55,730 --> 00:42:53,220 um the interview that they did with um 1131 00:42:57,170 --> 00:42:55,740 oh we just had him on James Fox 1132 00:42:59,089 --> 00:42:57,180 um they did an interview with him and 1133 00:43:01,430 --> 00:42:59,099 they actually took it seriously they you 1134 00:43:03,470 --> 00:43:01,440 know they didn't do any dramatization of 1135 00:43:05,630 --> 00:43:03,480 you know the X-Files music or anything 1136 00:43:06,710 --> 00:43:05,640 like that and I think that's good that's 1137 00:43:08,569 --> 00:43:06,720 progress 1138 00:43:10,190 --> 00:43:08,579 you know saying hey we invite you on to 1139 00:43:13,250 --> 00:43:10,200 have a serious topic about this we're 1140 00:43:15,290 --> 00:43:13,260 now taking it seriously I like that 1141 00:43:17,950 --> 00:43:15,300 um I think the worst obviously uh 1142 00:43:20,150 --> 00:43:17,960 they've mentioned it before is NASA 1143 00:43:22,190 --> 00:43:20,160 saying that we're now jumping in on the 1144 00:43:23,569 --> 00:43:22,200 bandwagon it's like [\h__\h] you like you 1145 00:43:25,430 --> 00:43:23,579 know you've had your chance you know 1146 00:43:27,170 --> 00:43:25,440 like doing this for 70 years and keeping 1147 00:43:28,790 --> 00:43:27,180 yeah you need you need to tell us that 1148 00:43:30,710 --> 00:43:28,800 we haven't uh you guys don't know 1149 00:43:32,510 --> 00:43:30,720 anything about this this is all new to 1150 00:43:34,550 --> 00:43:32,520 you first you know let's come on get out 1151 00:43:36,410 --> 00:43:34,560 of here yeah uh but yeah I would say 1152 00:43:37,790 --> 00:43:36,420 that's probably the worst is is NASA 1153 00:43:40,010 --> 00:43:37,800 saying they're throwing in their hat and 1154 00:43:42,650 --> 00:43:40,020 and helping in like you know 1155 00:43:45,050 --> 00:43:42,660 we needed you like you know since the 19 1156 00:43:47,089 --> 00:43:45,060 you know 50s to go back and investigate 1157 00:43:49,970 --> 00:43:47,099 what's been taken place and if you know 1158 00:43:52,849 --> 00:43:49,980 like Scott you know uh Dave said 1159 00:43:54,950 --> 00:43:52,859 um basically they got recordings of of 1160 00:43:56,630 --> 00:43:54,960 astronauts seeing things you know even 1161 00:43:58,069 --> 00:43:56,640 the recordings of the first people on 1162 00:44:00,230 --> 00:43:58,079 the moon when they switched over to that 1163 00:44:01,910 --> 00:44:00,240 medical Channel like yeah they're 1164 00:44:06,470 --> 00:44:01,920 they're watching us they're on the rim 1165 00:44:08,750 --> 00:44:06,480 yeah so like I said it's uh NASA was 1166 00:44:11,210 --> 00:44:08,760 probably the worst of this year for sure 1167 00:44:13,190 --> 00:44:11,220 we'll go to Marquis for this too what 1168 00:44:15,470 --> 00:44:13,200 are uh what are the topics that got your 1169 00:44:16,730 --> 00:44:15,480 excitement level up and what were the 1170 00:44:18,050 --> 00:44:16,740 things that made you just shake your 1171 00:44:19,730 --> 00:44:18,060 head and say come on are we going 1172 00:44:23,390 --> 00:44:19,740 forward or backwards 1173 00:44:24,710 --> 00:44:23,400 well for me again I I try to I I have to 1174 00:44:25,849 --> 00:44:24,720 trust what some of the people that are 1175 00:44:28,010 --> 00:44:25,859 really involved in the with the 1176 00:44:28,670 --> 00:44:28,020 phenomena from from an official point of 1177 00:44:30,050 --> 00:44:28,680 view 1178 00:44:32,270 --> 00:44:30,060 um and who've been researching it have 1179 00:44:34,430 --> 00:44:32,280 said and there's somebody that I never 1180 00:44:37,910 --> 00:44:34,440 even heard of John Ramirez and his 1181 00:44:39,349 --> 00:44:37,920 interviews have been for me since you 1182 00:44:40,790 --> 00:44:39,359 know the most important thing for me 1183 00:44:42,349 --> 00:44:40,800 because we're talking about an xcia 1184 00:44:45,650 --> 00:44:42,359 officer who's saying that we've had 1185 00:44:47,690 --> 00:44:45,660 Direct contact with beings that are 1186 00:44:50,150 --> 00:44:47,700 non-human intelligence 1187 00:44:51,950 --> 00:44:50,160 um that may share the same DNA as us and 1188 00:44:55,370 --> 00:44:51,960 that he was briefed on this when he was 1189 00:44:57,109 --> 00:44:55,380 in the CIA or that you know or his his 1190 00:44:58,670 --> 00:44:57,119 experiences 1191 00:45:00,470 --> 00:44:58,680 um personally with the phenomena where 1192 00:45:01,849 --> 00:45:00,480 he said that he was you know in a recent 1193 00:45:04,910 --> 00:45:01,859 interview 1194 00:45:06,530 --> 00:45:04,920 um podcast UFO he said that he had 1195 00:45:08,150 --> 00:45:06,540 experiences when he was younger when he 1196 00:45:10,910 --> 00:45:08,160 was a child where he was experimented on 1197 00:45:12,589 --> 00:45:10,920 with by human-like people but it was odd 1198 00:45:14,390 --> 00:45:12,599 because he knew there was something 1199 00:45:17,210 --> 00:45:14,400 different about it he was led to a house 1200 00:45:19,309 --> 00:45:17,220 and is helped with by a lady without his 1201 00:45:21,050 --> 00:45:19,319 parents they took him to a room they did 1202 00:45:22,490 --> 00:45:21,060 medical experiments on him it was it 1203 00:45:24,230 --> 00:45:22,500 wasn't a negative experience it was just 1204 00:45:25,550 --> 00:45:24,240 to just experiments that were medical 1205 00:45:27,950 --> 00:45:25,560 procedures 1206 00:45:29,569 --> 00:45:27,960 um that were just kind of mundane and 1207 00:45:31,069 --> 00:45:29,579 then taken back home 1208 00:45:32,809 --> 00:45:31,079 um and also direct contact with these 1209 00:45:35,630 --> 00:45:32,819 beings that is like talk about 1210 00:45:37,370 --> 00:45:35,640 paranormal I mean you you I'm having an 1211 00:45:38,569 --> 00:45:37,380 imaginary friend might not be what you 1212 00:45:40,010 --> 00:45:38,579 think it is it may be one of these 1213 00:45:41,569 --> 00:45:40,020 beings that are just they're just 1214 00:45:42,829 --> 00:45:41,579 changing your perception of reality or 1215 00:45:45,109 --> 00:45:42,839 bringing you into another dimension or 1216 00:45:47,630 --> 00:45:45,119 maybe bringing there who knows that to 1217 00:45:50,270 --> 00:45:47,640 me was validating far beyond the UFO 1218 00:45:53,089 --> 00:45:50,280 phenomena or Beyond because it's from an 1219 00:45:54,829 --> 00:45:53,099 official person an xcia officer who is 1220 00:45:56,870 --> 00:45:54,839 who said that we've been tracking Russia 1221 00:46:00,170 --> 00:45:56,880 and we the U.S have been tracking these 1222 00:46:02,089 --> 00:46:00,180 these objects in space for like 50 years 1223 00:46:03,230 --> 00:46:02,099 and yet they're saying oh at NASA's 1224 00:46:04,849 --> 00:46:03,240 we're gonna we're gonna and like you 1225 00:46:07,609 --> 00:46:04,859 said about NASA we're gonna look at the 1226 00:46:09,250 --> 00:46:07,619 civilian data I'm I'm just 1227 00:46:13,609 --> 00:46:09,260 not going to curse 1228 00:46:16,010 --> 00:46:13,619 it's a safe place it's a safe place what 1229 00:46:18,829 --> 00:46:16,020 is that I mean you're NASA you have 1230 00:46:22,849 --> 00:46:18,839 equipment that monitors space and you're 1231 00:46:24,829 --> 00:46:22,859 gonna look at our cell phone camera data 1232 00:46:27,109 --> 00:46:24,839 so yeah this is the Navy talking more 1233 00:46:30,470 --> 00:46:27,119 than NASA whose job is it to take care 1234 00:46:32,030 --> 00:46:30,480 of space just saying which will I will 1235 00:46:33,589 --> 00:46:32,040 transition to the negative and that is 1236 00:46:35,210 --> 00:46:33,599 the fact that the you the wall the New 1237 00:46:36,770 --> 00:46:35,220 York Times They were being fed 1238 00:46:39,589 --> 00:46:36,780 information by someone from the Air 1239 00:46:41,329 --> 00:46:39,599 Force and I I didn't know now I feel 1240 00:46:42,770 --> 00:46:41,339 like personally that the Air Force is 1241 00:46:44,870 --> 00:46:42,780 directly involved with the cover-up 1242 00:46:46,670 --> 00:46:44,880 directly there is something that they 1243 00:46:48,710 --> 00:46:46,680 know they do not want people to know 1244 00:46:50,750 --> 00:46:48,720 period they don't want us to know and I 1245 00:46:54,230 --> 00:46:50,760 don't think it's just oh they did some 1246 00:46:55,970 --> 00:46:54,240 really shady you know ish 160 years ago 1247 00:46:57,470 --> 00:46:55,980 I think that may be part of it but I 1248 00:46:59,510 --> 00:46:57,480 think that there is an aspect of the 1249 00:47:02,109 --> 00:46:59,520 phenomenon that human beings can 1250 00:47:04,550 --> 00:47:02,119 directly contact this phenomena without 1251 00:47:06,950 --> 00:47:04,560 any devices 1252 00:47:08,690 --> 00:47:06,960 to Consciousness and the and that could 1253 00:47:10,190 --> 00:47:08,700 lead to mass suicides people could be 1254 00:47:11,569 --> 00:47:10,200 like well if we could if we just Leslie 1255 00:47:12,589 --> 00:47:11,579 King talked about you know this after 1256 00:47:15,170 --> 00:47:12,599 life 1257 00:47:16,670 --> 00:47:15,180 and the possibility of the conscience 1258 00:47:18,470 --> 00:47:16,680 surviving would people just start 1259 00:47:19,430 --> 00:47:18,480 killing what if they tell us that hey we 1260 00:47:21,410 --> 00:47:19,440 can contact these beings From Another 1261 00:47:22,550 --> 00:47:21,420 Dimension by the way when you die you 1262 00:47:24,230 --> 00:47:22,560 can go to another dimension you actually 1263 00:47:25,309 --> 00:47:24,240 your Consciousness lives on people will 1264 00:47:29,530 --> 00:47:25,319 just start killing themselves because 1265 00:47:33,530 --> 00:47:31,670 because we've been told the story of 1266 00:47:34,849 --> 00:47:33,540 Heaven for a long time you don't see a 1267 00:47:36,190 --> 00:47:34,859 lot of people killing themselves let's 1268 00:47:38,750 --> 00:47:36,200 go to heaven 1269 00:47:40,609 --> 00:47:38,760 let me just hug the camera but that's 1270 00:47:43,309 --> 00:47:40,619 what I've been that's what I just I just 1271 00:47:44,690 --> 00:47:43,319 wrote about this the Bible has mentioned 1272 00:47:46,790 --> 00:47:44,700 that if you don't do the right thing 1273 00:47:48,410 --> 00:47:46,800 you're going to hell you better you 1274 00:47:50,030 --> 00:47:48,420 better straight like people have been 1275 00:47:52,069 --> 00:47:50,040 told there's a bad place they can burn 1276 00:47:54,230 --> 00:47:52,079 for all eternity and it would talk about 1277 00:47:55,730 --> 00:47:54,240 the afterlife sucking why aren't they 1278 00:47:57,109 --> 00:47:55,740 doing they're not killing themselves now 1279 00:47:58,609 --> 00:47:57,119 they create new religions and all this 1280 00:48:00,290 --> 00:47:58,619 other stuff the weird stuff but they're 1281 00:48:02,089 --> 00:48:00,300 not killing themselves you're right that 1282 00:48:04,609 --> 00:48:02,099 is a hundred percent correct that's what 1283 00:48:06,410 --> 00:48:04,619 I don't under again I I feel like the 1284 00:48:08,450 --> 00:48:06,420 whatever the Air Force knows whatever 1285 00:48:10,550 --> 00:48:08,460 these this this Shadow government or 1286 00:48:12,770 --> 00:48:10,560 whatever you want to call it knows 1287 00:48:14,270 --> 00:48:12,780 I think it would empower the people I 1288 00:48:16,490 --> 00:48:14,280 think it would empower the people which 1289 00:48:18,170 --> 00:48:16,500 they would lose control over us it has 1290 00:48:19,670 --> 00:48:18,180 nothing to do with whether or not this 1291 00:48:20,750 --> 00:48:19,680 is a threat or not it has nothing to do 1292 00:48:23,089 --> 00:48:20,760 with that it's about whether or not 1293 00:48:25,309 --> 00:48:23,099 people are a threat to them will be a 1294 00:48:27,349 --> 00:48:25,319 threat to them yeah well said all right 1295 00:48:30,170 --> 00:48:27,359 Jess are you do you have a best and 1296 00:48:32,089 --> 00:48:30,180 worse for 22. I I kind of want to just 1297 00:48:35,510 --> 00:48:32,099 go back and kind of talk about what 1298 00:48:38,569 --> 00:48:35,520 marquising I mean do you think that 1299 00:48:39,950 --> 00:48:38,579 Humanity can actually accept the fact 1300 00:48:40,910 --> 00:48:39,960 that there's something else going on we 1301 00:48:42,770 --> 00:48:40,920 have to take the lowest common 1302 00:48:44,030 --> 00:48:42,780 denominator the normal person on the 1303 00:48:45,710 --> 00:48:44,040 street you're talking about you know 1304 00:48:46,790 --> 00:48:45,720 this community and people that we're 1305 00:48:48,829 --> 00:48:46,800 talking to and people who are 1306 00:48:50,930 --> 00:48:48,839 experiences but I'm talking about like 1307 00:48:53,390 --> 00:48:50,940 the normal folk out there that this is 1308 00:48:55,970 --> 00:48:53,400 not a part of their Paradigm so what 1309 00:48:57,710 --> 00:48:55,980 happens when this comes out to them we 1310 00:49:00,170 --> 00:48:57,720 can't even get along with other 1311 00:49:02,270 --> 00:49:00,180 countries other races other religions 1312 00:49:04,670 --> 00:49:02,280 you think that we can get along with 1313 00:49:05,990 --> 00:49:04,680 some other race of beings out there that 1314 00:49:08,270 --> 00:49:06,000 that's what I always ask people to tell 1315 00:49:09,650 --> 00:49:08,280 me tell me we don't shoot people and 1316 00:49:12,170 --> 00:49:09,660 kill people because they look different 1317 00:49:14,630 --> 00:49:12,180 act different so you think that I mean 1318 00:49:17,089 --> 00:49:14,640 not not you I'm just like the Royal like 1319 00:49:20,270 --> 00:49:17,099 people in general you believe that 1320 00:49:22,130 --> 00:49:20,280 Humanity can actually accept this at the 1321 00:49:23,390 --> 00:49:22,140 lowest common denominator that's for 1322 00:49:25,190 --> 00:49:23,400 everybody anybody who wants to answer 1323 00:49:27,589 --> 00:49:25,200 that I want to know 1324 00:49:29,089 --> 00:49:27,599 I don't think we can I think I heard 1325 00:49:31,550 --> 00:49:29,099 somebody I think it was James Fox told 1326 00:49:33,589 --> 00:49:31,560 us that Bigelow has been behind this the 1327 00:49:36,170 --> 00:49:33,599 whole time they've run studies could 1328 00:49:37,849 --> 00:49:36,180 people actually handle it we think so we 1329 00:49:38,930 --> 00:49:37,859 could we're open-minded and we're 1330 00:49:41,750 --> 00:49:38,940 comfortable you know comfortable enough 1331 00:49:43,670 --> 00:49:41,760 with ourself and we want it so bad that 1332 00:49:45,410 --> 00:49:43,680 we've kind of made ourselves ready the 1333 00:49:48,230 --> 00:49:45,420 average person I don't think would 1334 00:49:50,329 --> 00:49:48,240 handle it I think it would if you're 1335 00:49:52,190 --> 00:49:50,339 fundamentalist you've been told this is 1336 00:49:54,589 --> 00:49:52,200 it and that's all nothing outside these 1337 00:49:56,930 --> 00:49:54,599 borders nothing outside this text so 1338 00:49:59,569 --> 00:49:56,940 anything outside those borders would 1339 00:50:01,609 --> 00:49:59,579 ruffle feathers and I tend to believe as 1340 00:50:04,130 --> 00:50:01,619 much as it's disappointing I don't think 1341 00:50:06,349 --> 00:50:04,140 the average person could still have a 1342 00:50:09,230 --> 00:50:06,359 healthy balance between God and Science 1343 00:50:11,450 --> 00:50:09,240 and ETS I think it would screw up a lot 1344 00:50:12,950 --> 00:50:11,460 what do you think Dave sorry if I would 1345 00:50:15,170 --> 00:50:12,960 like to add to that if you don't mind is 1346 00:50:18,109 --> 00:50:15,180 the last time I interviewed Lou Elizondo 1347 00:50:22,250 --> 00:50:18,119 on my show I actually asked him you know 1348 00:50:24,710 --> 00:50:22,260 was the government or the UAP people uh 1349 00:50:26,630 --> 00:50:24,720 watching the last couple of years or the 1350 00:50:29,270 --> 00:50:26,640 way human entity treated each other 1351 00:50:32,569 --> 00:50:29,280 through covid because we did a terrible 1352 00:50:35,870 --> 00:50:32,579 job okay ripping milk from single 1353 00:50:38,750 --> 00:50:35,880 mothers hands to to buying 2 000 rolls 1354 00:50:41,329 --> 00:50:38,760 of toilet paper you know buying 1355 00:50:43,849 --> 00:50:41,339 medication because the paranoid we're 1356 00:50:45,290 --> 00:50:43,859 all out there thinking that we're all 1357 00:50:48,230 --> 00:50:45,300 going to run out we're all going to die 1358 00:50:51,589 --> 00:50:48,240 like this is it and Lou surprisingly 1359 00:50:54,890 --> 00:50:51,599 actually said yes the U.S government and 1360 00:50:58,130 --> 00:50:54,900 the watchdogs for UAP studies were 1361 00:51:02,089 --> 00:50:58,140 actually watching how Humanity was 1362 00:51:04,609 --> 00:51:02,099 treating each other and we failed we 1363 00:51:07,430 --> 00:51:04,619 failed big time on the way we were 1364 00:51:10,790 --> 00:51:07,440 treating because you know the media did 1365 00:51:13,130 --> 00:51:10,800 a terrible job at at uh promoting the 1366 00:51:15,370 --> 00:51:13,140 fact that we were running out of 1367 00:51:18,049 --> 00:51:15,380 supplies 1368 00:51:21,710 --> 00:51:18,059 we're running out of everything guess 1369 00:51:24,410 --> 00:51:21,720 what bananas don't stop growing apples 1370 00:51:25,970 --> 00:51:24,420 don't stop growing because of covid and 1371 00:51:27,829 --> 00:51:25,980 when you go into the spring and summer 1372 00:51:29,270 --> 00:51:27,839 there's going to be strawberries that 1373 00:51:31,309 --> 00:51:29,280 are still there there's going to be 1374 00:51:33,829 --> 00:51:31,319 blueberries there's going to be canola 1375 00:51:36,349 --> 00:51:33,839 oil there's going to be all sorts of 1376 00:51:37,910 --> 00:51:36,359 meat that is piling up because there's 1377 00:51:40,670 --> 00:51:37,920 going to be more cattle and there's 1378 00:51:43,730 --> 00:51:40,680 going to be more Hogs okay 1379 00:51:46,130 --> 00:51:43,740 but it was the way we treated each other 1380 00:51:49,670 --> 00:51:46,140 that really from what I'm learning I've 1381 00:51:52,790 --> 00:51:49,680 learned put a fear into many in the in 1382 00:51:56,809 --> 00:51:52,800 the intelligence agency because we were 1383 00:51:59,870 --> 00:51:56,819 so immature on how we were acting now 1384 00:52:02,809 --> 00:51:59,880 you fast forward this to a subject 1385 00:52:06,230 --> 00:52:02,819 that's going to affect 7.75 billion 1386 00:52:08,809 --> 00:52:06,240 people on this planet from the people 1387 00:52:11,990 --> 00:52:08,819 who live in the jungles of the Amazon to 1388 00:52:13,010 --> 00:52:12,000 the concrete jungles of Tokyo it's going 1389 00:52:15,470 --> 00:52:13,020 everywhere 1390 00:52:17,390 --> 00:52:15,480 okay and nobody's going to be able to 1391 00:52:21,109 --> 00:52:17,400 get away from it when that Pandora's Box 1392 00:52:24,049 --> 00:52:21,119 opens and they have a right to be scared 1393 00:52:26,390 --> 00:52:24,059 they have a right to be uh you know like 1394 00:52:28,790 --> 00:52:26,400 like uh Marquis was saying there could 1395 00:52:31,130 --> 00:52:28,800 be Mass suicides they are worried about 1396 00:52:33,230 --> 00:52:31,140 that they're worried about the crash of 1397 00:52:34,790 --> 00:52:33,240 the economy they're worried about the 1398 00:52:37,010 --> 00:52:34,800 fundamentalists they're worried about 1399 00:52:39,049 --> 00:52:37,020 the the the people who suffer from 1400 00:52:41,089 --> 00:52:39,059 depression and anxiety and say well the 1401 00:52:44,089 --> 00:52:41,099 aliens are here and I've had this Hit 1402 00:52:46,609 --> 00:52:44,099 List sitting on my desk for the last 20 1403 00:52:49,609 --> 00:52:46,619 years from the kid who bullied me in 1404 00:52:52,130 --> 00:52:49,619 math class in grade nine to my boss 1405 00:52:55,069 --> 00:52:52,140 today let's just go get this done it 1406 00:52:56,870 --> 00:52:55,079 doesn't matter okay they are concerned 1407 00:53:00,410 --> 00:52:56,880 about that that is the one of the 1408 00:53:03,530 --> 00:53:00,420 implications about UFOs and and 1409 00:53:06,290 --> 00:53:03,540 disclosure that nobody thinks about 1410 00:53:08,390 --> 00:53:06,300 yeah very well said so with everything 1411 00:53:09,710 --> 00:53:08,400 that we've again we're more confused 1412 00:53:11,210 --> 00:53:09,720 than ever on the topic and I think 1413 00:53:13,250 --> 00:53:11,220 that's healthy keeps our brains working 1414 00:53:14,690 --> 00:53:13,260 and Ticking what do we what have we 1415 00:53:16,670 --> 00:53:14,700 heard for what's coming down the pipe 1416 00:53:19,130 --> 00:53:16,680 for next year for 2023 I'll start with 1417 00:53:20,990 --> 00:53:19,140 Jason what are you thinking or hoping at 1418 00:53:22,970 --> 00:53:21,000 least is going to happen beginning 1419 00:53:25,370 --> 00:53:22,980 middle end of next year what do you 1420 00:53:27,650 --> 00:53:25,380 think's in store for us for 2023 well 1421 00:53:29,089 --> 00:53:27,660 I'd like that report to come out uh 1422 00:53:31,190 --> 00:53:29,099 first and foremost I mean we've been 1423 00:53:33,530 --> 00:53:31,200 waiting on that since what uh October 1424 00:53:36,049 --> 00:53:33,540 and October 31st was supposed to be the 1425 00:53:38,210 --> 00:53:36,059 deadline we still haven't received it so 1426 00:53:40,370 --> 00:53:38,220 that report would be nice 1427 00:53:41,990 --> 00:53:40,380 um I just hope that we don't slide 1428 00:53:44,750 --> 00:53:42,000 backwards I think that we've done so 1429 00:53:47,089 --> 00:53:44,760 much progress on the subject and we've 1430 00:53:50,630 --> 00:53:47,099 all seen the interests from people you 1431 00:53:53,510 --> 00:53:50,640 know reaching out like watch Jess and uh 1432 00:53:55,549 --> 00:53:53,520 Dave's you know shows and you just see 1433 00:53:57,829 --> 00:53:55,559 the interaction with their guests like 1434 00:54:00,109 --> 00:53:57,839 and it's like non-stop like people are 1435 00:54:02,030 --> 00:54:00,119 paying attention to this they they like 1436 00:54:04,970 --> 00:54:02,040 the phenomenon 1437 00:54:07,370 --> 00:54:04,980 I hope that that momentum keeps going I 1438 00:54:08,990 --> 00:54:07,380 hope that you know maybe a better 1439 00:54:10,309 --> 00:54:09,000 sighting takes place like you know I 1440 00:54:12,710 --> 00:54:10,319 keep thinking about the Phoenix Lights 1441 00:54:15,349 --> 00:54:12,720 if that was to happen today with the 1442 00:54:17,450 --> 00:54:15,359 cameras that we have it'd be irrefutable 1443 00:54:19,730 --> 00:54:17,460 proof at that point and you know we'd be 1444 00:54:22,490 --> 00:54:19,740 able to have an honest conversation with 1445 00:54:25,370 --> 00:54:22,500 our government the problem is uh we 1446 00:54:27,770 --> 00:54:25,380 don't have that not yet but I hope that 1447 00:54:29,630 --> 00:54:27,780 good data comes out I hope maybe hearing 1448 00:54:31,250 --> 00:54:29,640 from the Air Force would be nice but 1449 00:54:33,109 --> 00:54:31,260 first and foremost would be that report 1450 00:54:35,809 --> 00:54:33,119 I think that's what I'm looking forward 1451 00:54:38,809 --> 00:54:35,819 to the most what do you think Dave 2023 1452 00:54:40,430 --> 00:54:38,819 what can we expect well I I think we're 1453 00:54:43,130 --> 00:54:40,440 going to get much the same 1454 00:54:46,010 --> 00:54:43,140 and we're going to get much of the same 1455 00:54:49,250 --> 00:54:46,020 rhetoric that we are going to get I I 1456 00:54:52,130 --> 00:54:49,260 don't see a point right now you know not 1457 00:54:54,349 --> 00:54:52,140 to sound pessimistic or Mr negative but 1458 00:54:56,329 --> 00:54:54,359 I don't see a point right now guys where 1459 00:54:59,270 --> 00:54:56,339 there is going to be absolutely anything 1460 00:55:01,730 --> 00:54:59,280 that that forwards this topic that we 1461 00:55:04,490 --> 00:55:01,740 care so much about I mean we know the 1462 00:55:06,770 --> 00:55:04,500 the minute the U.S Navy stated that they 1463 00:55:09,650 --> 00:55:06,780 want nothing to do with this subject 1464 00:55:12,230 --> 00:55:09,660 you're not getting any more videos okay 1465 00:55:14,930 --> 00:55:12,240 there is a real fight for power between 1466 00:55:18,170 --> 00:55:14,940 elected officials and the military 1467 00:55:20,750 --> 00:55:18,180 industrial complex now I'm very curious 1468 00:55:22,670 --> 00:55:20,760 to see how that's going to play out it 1469 00:55:24,890 --> 00:55:22,680 could be very ugly it could be very 1470 00:55:27,710 --> 00:55:24,900 silent that we don't even hear a thing 1471 00:55:31,730 --> 00:55:27,720 about it but I don't see this topic 1472 00:55:33,049 --> 00:55:31,740 growing uh as much as it should you know 1473 00:55:35,809 --> 00:55:33,059 the I think we're going to get more 1474 00:55:38,809 --> 00:55:35,819 backlash from from mainstream media 1475 00:55:40,370 --> 00:55:38,819 because they're going to realize that uh 1476 00:55:42,170 --> 00:55:40,380 they've never wanted to cover this topic 1477 00:55:45,530 --> 00:55:42,180 anyways and they're going to put it back 1478 00:55:47,630 --> 00:55:45,540 in the closet as quickly as they can and 1479 00:55:50,569 --> 00:55:47,640 you know I just don't see anything good 1480 00:55:52,490 --> 00:55:50,579 unless something big comes out and I 1481 00:55:55,010 --> 00:55:52,500 right now trying to figure out what that 1482 00:55:56,930 --> 00:55:55,020 big thing is we don't know maybe it's 1483 00:55:59,750 --> 00:55:56,940 Roswell again maybe we need to start 1484 00:56:02,450 --> 00:55:59,760 right back at Roswell and and and start 1485 00:56:04,370 --> 00:56:02,460 focusing there rather than the 2004 1486 00:56:06,349 --> 00:56:04,380 because remember guys even though 1487 00:56:09,710 --> 00:56:06,359 Marquis is an experiencer I'm an 1488 00:56:12,049 --> 00:56:09,720 experiencer you guys have seen UFOs we 1489 00:56:15,470 --> 00:56:12,059 mean nothing because we're not a pilot 1490 00:56:17,930 --> 00:56:15,480 in the military and we're not a pilot in 1491 00:56:20,089 --> 00:56:17,940 commercial airlines therefore those are 1492 00:56:24,049 --> 00:56:20,099 the only experiencers that mean anything 1493 00:56:25,910 --> 00:56:24,059 we all mean squat to the cause and it's 1494 00:56:28,490 --> 00:56:25,920 not healthy for what we're doing 1495 00:56:30,589 --> 00:56:28,500 yeah what do you think Jess 2023 what 1496 00:56:33,109 --> 00:56:30,599 are you hopeful is gonna be uh I'm I'm 1497 00:56:34,670 --> 00:56:33,119 hopeful but I I feel like Dave on that I 1498 00:56:37,069 --> 00:56:34,680 don't think A lot's Gonna Change I think 1499 00:56:39,410 --> 00:56:37,079 I mean just looking socially at the 1500 00:56:41,270 --> 00:56:39,420 interest in it and watching UFO Twitter 1501 00:56:43,250 --> 00:56:41,280 overall it looks like there's less 1502 00:56:44,990 --> 00:56:43,260 people getting I mean in my perspective 1503 00:56:46,730 --> 00:56:45,000 it looks like a lot of people are 1504 00:56:48,950 --> 00:56:46,740 shifting towards a more skeptical point 1505 00:56:50,750 --> 00:56:48,960 of view a lot of people that I know who 1506 00:56:52,849 --> 00:56:50,760 have even been around for 10 plus years 1507 00:56:55,970 --> 00:56:52,859 studying this phenomenon have left have 1508 00:56:57,650 --> 00:56:55,980 left this field and to me that meant 1509 00:56:59,750 --> 00:56:57,660 something to see my friend you know 1510 00:57:02,990 --> 00:56:59,760 who's been around researching this nuts 1511 00:57:05,630 --> 00:57:03,000 and bolts she left and just that meant a 1512 00:57:07,730 --> 00:57:05,640 lot to me to say like well not much is 1513 00:57:09,589 --> 00:57:07,740 happening is anything big gonna happen 1514 00:57:11,990 --> 00:57:09,599 unless something big happens like Dave 1515 00:57:13,750 --> 00:57:12,000 says unless we get the damn you know UFO 1516 00:57:16,670 --> 00:57:13,760 on the White House lawn or some 1517 00:57:19,010 --> 00:57:16,680 unrefutable something something because 1518 00:57:20,390 --> 00:57:19,020 even myself I am not an experience I'm 1519 00:57:21,829 --> 00:57:20,400 going to be honest about that I have 1520 00:57:24,710 --> 00:57:21,839 seen lights in the sky but I have not 1521 00:57:26,750 --> 00:57:24,720 had an experience so for me I would like 1522 00:57:28,490 --> 00:57:26,760 to still see something but there's no 1523 00:57:30,530 --> 00:57:28,500 evidence we're just having stories 1524 00:57:33,109 --> 00:57:30,540 they're just stories right now and so 1525 00:57:34,849 --> 00:57:33,119 unless something big happens things I 1526 00:57:36,890 --> 00:57:34,859 don't I don't know I kind of seeing it 1527 00:57:38,870 --> 00:57:36,900 kind of go back because you know UFOs it 1528 00:57:40,910 --> 00:57:38,880 goes in Cycles right there's a lot of 1529 00:57:42,470 --> 00:57:40,920 interest and then it dies down and then 1530 00:57:43,849 --> 00:57:42,480 something happens and it comes back and 1531 00:57:46,010 --> 00:57:43,859 you get all these people who are super 1532 00:57:47,390 --> 00:57:46,020 excited and super stoked about it and 1533 00:57:49,609 --> 00:57:47,400 they're like oh my God have you seen 1534 00:57:51,410 --> 00:57:49,619 this case or this case and then this new 1535 00:57:53,329 --> 00:57:51,420 group comes and they get burnt out and 1536 00:57:54,770 --> 00:57:53,339 then the new group comes you know and 1537 00:57:56,450 --> 00:57:54,780 then there's the folks that have stayed 1538 00:57:57,770 --> 00:57:56,460 around for years so is it going to 1539 00:57:59,809 --> 00:57:57,780 change I don't know 1540 00:58:02,150 --> 00:57:59,819 yeah it's almost like with stocks right 1541 00:58:03,710 --> 00:58:02,160 if you look at the one year for this 1542 00:58:05,809 --> 00:58:03,720 year the graph would be up and then 1543 00:58:08,089 --> 00:58:05,819 starting to Trend down but we're hoping 1544 00:58:10,130 --> 00:58:08,099 it's a 10-year where those little ups 1545 00:58:12,530 --> 00:58:10,140 and downs are invisible and it's just a 1546 00:58:14,690 --> 00:58:12,540 gradual increase so even if we take a 1547 00:58:16,069 --> 00:58:14,700 step back I mean it's still better 40 1548 00:58:18,230 --> 00:58:16,079 years ago if you told people that 1549 00:58:19,609 --> 00:58:18,240 there'd be Tic Tac videos and Pentagon 1550 00:58:21,770 --> 00:58:19,619 acknowledgments they would say you're 1551 00:58:24,470 --> 00:58:21,780 nuts that would be disclosure for them 1552 00:58:26,930 --> 00:58:24,480 and uh we'll uh we'll finalize off with 1553 00:58:29,690 --> 00:58:26,940 Marquis what are you expecting or hoping 1554 00:58:31,130 --> 00:58:29,700 for uh for 2023 well there's a couple 1555 00:58:32,990 --> 00:58:31,140 things I mean first of all I I think 1556 00:58:35,510 --> 00:58:33,000 that disclosure is more of a movement 1557 00:58:37,069 --> 00:58:35,520 than it is an event like people I don't 1558 00:58:40,069 --> 00:58:37,079 think there's going to be a one single 1559 00:58:42,349 --> 00:58:40,079 thing that that is definitively this is 1560 00:58:43,730 --> 00:58:42,359 it for Humanity I think there has been 1561 00:58:46,250 --> 00:58:43,740 there's going to be and there has been 1562 00:58:47,990 --> 00:58:46,260 an amalgamation of things that will be 1563 00:58:49,609 --> 00:58:48,000 eventually so overwhelming that people 1564 00:58:51,349 --> 00:58:49,619 just can't deny it unless they again 1565 00:58:54,049 --> 00:58:51,359 they just don't want to know 1566 00:58:56,390 --> 00:58:54,059 um in 2001 you had Stephen Greer who 1567 00:58:58,250 --> 00:58:56,400 brought all those what expert witnesses 1568 00:59:00,950 --> 00:58:58,260 that were willing to put their dd-2-14s 1569 00:59:02,390 --> 00:59:00,960 up for up in front of and testify in 1570 00:59:04,970 --> 00:59:02,400 front of Congress 1571 00:59:07,069 --> 00:59:04,980 um under oath about their experiences 1572 00:59:08,750 --> 00:59:07,079 not just with UAP and the government and 1573 00:59:11,450 --> 00:59:08,760 the military's involvement with it but 1574 00:59:13,010 --> 00:59:11,460 alien contact contact with non-human 1575 00:59:16,010 --> 00:59:13,020 intelligences and they're willing to 1576 00:59:17,410 --> 00:59:16,020 risk their entire life freedom 1577 00:59:20,210 --> 00:59:17,420 to tell it to talk about this 1578 00:59:22,130 --> 00:59:20,220 ex-military you know pilots and then 1579 00:59:24,230 --> 00:59:22,140 reporters and all kinds of people people 1580 00:59:25,970 --> 00:59:24,240 within private Aerospace industry and 1581 00:59:27,950 --> 00:59:25,980 Military contractors Stephen Greer 1582 00:59:32,809 --> 00:59:27,960 brought them to the National Press Club 1583 00:59:34,549 --> 00:59:32,819 in 2001 and then again in 2005 whenever 1584 00:59:36,109 --> 00:59:34,559 he brought them in front of ex-members 1585 00:59:38,210 --> 00:59:36,119 of Congress 1586 00:59:39,770 --> 00:59:38,220 disclosure for me has already happened 1587 00:59:41,329 --> 00:59:39,780 I'm not waiting for disclosure it's 1588 00:59:44,030 --> 00:59:41,339 already happened there we already know 1589 00:59:46,309 --> 00:59:44,040 again unless you're ignoring the data we 1590 00:59:47,630 --> 00:59:46,319 already know that there is a non-human 1591 00:59:48,890 --> 00:59:47,640 intelligence interacting with Humanity 1592 00:59:52,190 --> 00:59:48,900 right now 1593 00:59:54,589 --> 00:59:52,200 however looking forward you know I think 1594 00:59:55,910 --> 00:59:54,599 that the legislation at Louis Elizondo 1595 00:59:57,289 --> 00:59:55,920 was trying to put into place with to the 1596 00:59:59,510 --> 00:59:57,299 Stars Academy and their their work with 1597 01:00:00,530 --> 00:59:59,520 to you know ttsa or now it's just to the 1598 01:00:02,690 --> 01:00:00,540 stars 1599 01:00:05,030 --> 01:00:02,700 um I think that their work along with 1600 01:00:07,190 --> 01:00:05,040 what you know Gary Nolan is doing and 1601 01:00:08,390 --> 01:00:07,200 other scientists the uapx 1602 01:00:09,829 --> 01:00:08,400 um you know people that are working 1603 01:00:13,010 --> 01:00:09,839 together with scientists that are now 1604 01:00:16,609 --> 01:00:13,020 analyzing their own data I think that is 1605 01:00:18,890 --> 01:00:16,619 what's going to really be the definitive 1606 01:00:20,210 --> 01:00:18,900 um you know moment when their data comes 1607 01:00:21,049 --> 01:00:20,220 out and their information comes out 1608 01:00:23,510 --> 01:00:21,059 that's what's going to give us 1609 01:00:25,549 --> 01:00:23,520 disclosure officially I don't think 1610 01:00:27,349 --> 01:00:25,559 we're ever gonna get it unless it 1611 01:00:29,210 --> 01:00:27,359 benefits the government the US 1612 01:00:32,030 --> 01:00:29,220 government specifically 1613 01:00:33,770 --> 01:00:32,040 yeah well said for sure so with that 1614 01:00:35,450 --> 01:00:33,780 everybody uh we just want to thank you 1615 01:00:37,309 --> 01:00:35,460 all for uh being part of our friendship 1616 01:00:39,890 --> 01:00:37,319 Circle for supporting us thank you Dave 1617 01:00:41,450 --> 01:00:39,900 and Jess and Marquis always uh positive 1618 01:00:43,549 --> 01:00:41,460 and encouraging we love giving you guys 1619 01:00:45,289 --> 01:00:43,559 the same back uh Jason and I have 1620 01:00:47,450 --> 01:00:45,299 basically become best friends this year 1621 01:00:48,789 --> 01:00:47,460 so on a personal level as well as 1622 01:00:51,890 --> 01:00:48,799 professional level it's been a great 1623 01:00:53,510 --> 01:00:51,900 2022. life is the way it is there's ups 1624 01:00:54,890 --> 01:00:53,520 and downs uh but if we don't keep 1625 01:00:57,109 --> 01:00:54,900 churning and putting that effort forward 1626 01:00:59,390 --> 01:00:57,119 it's not going to get any better and uh 1627 01:01:01,130 --> 01:00:59,400 we need us the community needs us and 1628 01:01:03,410 --> 01:01:01,140 the people tell us that they need us and 1629 01:01:05,809 --> 01:01:03,420 love us so uh big thanks again Dave 1630 01:01:07,730 --> 01:01:05,819 Scott spaced out radio Jess rogie the 1631 01:01:09,950 --> 01:01:07,740 from the Jess rogge show and Marquis 1632 01:01:11,390 --> 01:01:09,960 Williams from dimensions of reality and 1633 01:01:14,569 --> 01:01:11,400 thank you to all of our viewers and 1634 01:01:20,470 --> 01:01:14,579 we'll see you in 2023